Author Topic: forget gun control... (Read 2589 times)

DiabloTX · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2007, 02:57:16 PM »

This is just Lazs' way of letting his mother know he hated eating those greens as a kid. Mom told him to eat them and he's never forgotten that fact.

DOWN WITH MOM'S FORCE FEEDING GREENS TO KIDS!!!!

The gov't may dictate you wear your seatbelt but, as you have shown, you don't have to wear one. Just accept the consequence(s) of that decision be it financially or physically.

I see it more as a common sense move than a 'you must do as I say' move. I could never think of operating a vehicle without the proper safety equipment being utilised. Even IF the gov't didn't say we had to I'd still do it.

mentalguy · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2007, 03:14:21 PM »

I miss natural selection. It solves all of our problems.

McFarland · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2007, 03:28:47 PM »

This isn't aboot safety, what he's concerned aboot is the fact that govment is becoming more and more controlling over the people. You can't smoke here, you can't drink there, where a seatbelt or pay a fine, etc. The govment is just using thw safety arguement to get more money from fines to those who don't wear them. And yes, driving is a skill, not a privelege. I can drive better than most people who have licenses, and I don't have one. Licenses are only aboot getting more money from you, as are license plates and tags. I don't have a license, but I drive just fine.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2007, 04:15:48 PM »

I'm gonna ask it, because it's one of the first questions that pops into anyone's head:

McFarland why don't you have a license?

McFarland · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2007, 04:29:27 PM »

I don't need one.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2007, 04:35:59 PM »

By Law, to operate a Motor Vehicle on a public Road in any state of the United States, yes, you do. Have you been pulled over? If so, what have you told the policeman who did?

I know that anyone can learn to drive a car on the road, without the necessity of haveing a physical license...Just the same as someone could ride a horse, or a bicycle.

McFarland · « **Reply #21 on:** June 30, 2007, 04:47:38 PM »

I don't need a license, as there are no cops where I drive. And I can ride a horse to work if I have to. I would prefer to do that, but the locals in town don't exactly like farm animals.

Maverick · « **Reply #22 on:** June 30, 2007, 04:58:18 PM »

Frode,

Remember this is the intardnet where a person can claim just about anything. There's no proof of a claim and very few folks here travel enough to make verifying anything extremely unlikely.

ink · « **Reply #23 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:00:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Laz, you don't even have a right to drive. It's a priveledge, not a right. That's why it's licensed.

PRIVILEDGE

who says its a privilege?
the same who say you must where a seat belt, or a helmet
the same people who say weed is as bad as heroin.
but yet it is okay to drink alcohol witch killz 100,000 people a year.

please a priviledge...
i own those damm roads so do you.

and i will also say this for you who do believe that driving is a priviledge,
you are a damm robot, open your damm eyes...
driving is NOT a privilege its a nessesity in this screwed up world we live in

where we as a people have taken what is good and turned it into bad and whats bad turned it into whats good...

Maverick · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:06:20 PM »

Really,

Here's a test. Try and take possession of that road you claim to own. Go ahead and just squat on it claiming you own it. Watch what happens.

McFarland · « **Reply #25 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:07:32 PM »

Technically, we do own the roads, as it was our tax money that payed for their construction.

wrag · « **Reply #26 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:24:45 PM »

Some thoughts on Governmental control of what people can and can't do............

"Whenever we take away the liberties of those whom we hate we
are opening the way to loss of liberty for those we love."
Wendell L. Willkie (1892-1944)
Ameican lawyer, businessman, politician

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his
enemy from oppression."
Thomas Paine (1737-1809)
Anglo-American writer

"He was one of those men who think that the world can be saved
by writing a pamphlet."
Benjamin Disraeli (1804-1881)
English prime minister

"Nobuddy kin talk as interestin' as th' feller that's not
hampered by facts or information."
Kin (F. McKinney) Hubbard (1868-1930)
American humorist, journalist

"The great mass of people . . . will more easily fall victim
to a big lie than to a small one."
Adolf Hitler (1889-1945)
German dictator

"Many politicians lay it down as a self-evident proposition
that no people ought to be free until they are fit to use
their freedom. The maxim is worthy of the fool in the old
story who resolved not to go into the water until he had
learned to swim.", from Lord Macaulay an English historian.

"The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free
to do then in what we are free not to do." Eric Hoffer
American philosopher.

"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking
others to live as one wishes to live." Oscar Wilde Anglo-
Irish author.

These are pretty good IMHO...........

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." - H.L.Mencken

"This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." -- Plato, Greek philosopher (427-_347 BC

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." —Daniel Webster

"Dangerous laws created by well intentioned people today can be used by dangerous people with evil intentions tomorrow." - Alan Eppers

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience.” —Albert Camus

These make a very great deal of sense to me ...........

“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.” —Giordano Bruno

“There is in all of us a strong disposition to believe that anything lawful is also legitimate. This belief is so widespread that many persons have erroneously held that things are ‘just’ because the law makes them so.” —Frederic Bastiat

And for those that think MAKING others do something for the cost benefit I offer these.............

We lost many of our rights when we asked government to control
our neighbors for our benefit -- or simply looked the other way when others did so.

What government can do to our neighbor, it can -- and will -- do to us. Freedom is something that we must give to others if we wish it for ourselves.

HMMMM...................

I THINK this is what Laz is really tryin to say.

Hornet33 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:29:40 PM »

The ONLY rights you have are spelled out in the Bill of Rights. I've read them and no where in it was driving listed.

Now way back when, when cars first started coming onto the scene in large numbers, the local, state, and finally the federal governments started to regulate the proper use and safety of motor vehicles. Why did this happen way back then?? Because people were dying and the rest of the populace told their elected officials to do something about it. Laws were written and passed and here we are today.

I suppose you guys think the government regulating air travel is a bad idea too huh? How about food, or drugs? Naw we don't need the government to mandate that companies meet federal standards for safety on their products and enact laws for the proper use of those safety features on public roads or in the air, or your local resturant or drug store. The people that own those companies would NEVER risk YOUR life for a profit would they??

There is a BIG differance between regulating your rights and regulating safety for the public good. No differance than having to take a Hunters Safety course to get a hunting liscense. It's required for me to hunt, but in NO WAY infringes upon my RIGHT to own a firearm.

But here's the real question. What are you going to tell the judge when you go into court to fight your ticket for not wearing a seat belt? That the law infringes upon your rights? Man let me know when your court date is because I want to be there for that one. The reaction from the judge should be priceless....right before he finds you guilty and fines your stupid butts.

Actually that was only one question I had concerning this thread. Here's anouther one. Why in the world would you not want to wear a seat belt or motorcycle helmet? Just because the law says you have too? WHAAAAAAA...they say I have to wear this stuff. When my head is smashed in and I'm on life support and being fed through a tube, I'll show them!!!!

Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!

McFarland · « **Reply #28 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:42:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
But here's the real question. What are you going to tell the judge when you go into court to fight your ticket for not wearing a seat belt? That the law infringes upon your rights? Man let me know when your court date is because I want to be there for that one. The reaction from the judge should be priceless....right before he finds you guilty and fines your stupid butts.

Many times people have gone to court over the seat belt laws, AND THEY WON. The govment can't force you to protect yourself. And thus, the cases never hold up in court, and the people win, the govment loses.

McFarland · « **Reply #29 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:48:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
Actually that was only one question I had concerning this thread. Here's anouther one. Why in the world would you not want to wear a seat belt or motorcycle helmet? Just because the law says you have too? WHAAAAAAA...they say I have to wear this stuff. When my head is smashed in and I'm on life support and being fed through a tube, I'll show them!!!!

It isn't that we don't want to wear them, it's that we don't want the govment to MAKE us wear them. If we let them tell us to wear them, then next they'll make us get rid of our guns, next they'll make us not cuss, next they'll make us only talk good aboot them. Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile.