Author Topic: my first snake kill (Read 2125 times)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:16:06 AM »

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Originally posted by McFarland
That's a Timber Rattlesnake,

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A rather harmless snake

Harmless if it`s dead. That`s the only way.

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the bite usually swells the immediate area, which goes away in a few weeks, usually two.

Or better yet.....you can make the slithering piece of boot material go away in seconds---------> BOOM....good snake.

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In other words, should of left it alive to kill rats and mice.

That`s what cats are for. Cats are cute and fun for the whole family.

McFarland · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:27:03 AM »

Until they attack the little kids.Cats are tempermental, and they can carry diseases, like rabies. Snakes don't.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:33:56 AM »

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Originally posted by McFarland
Until they attack the little kids.

Geee .....I don`t ever remember seeing a rampaging cat attack a kid.....ever.
This just must be a ongoing thing with your family and the attack cats of the world.

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Cats are tempermental, and they can carry diseases, like rabies. Snakes don't.

No, snakes carry snakebites and venom in some cases, but around here when one is spotted he just carries a load of lead. BOOM....good snake.
In 55 years of life I have never seen or heard a local report of a rabid cat. There have been some of course, but the chances of encountering one is probably about equal to being hit by a falling plane.
On the other hand the chances of encountering a venemous snake here is very high. That`s when the fun starts.

McFarland · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:50:46 AM »

No, cats are tempermental. They have not been domesticated nearly as long as dogs. They still have moments when they go back to their natural instincts and attack people. I'm not meaning a "rampage", thery just jump up your pants leg and dig every one of their claws in and try to bite your leg off. I've even seen it on TV, so I know it didn't just happen to me. And it did it to a uniformed officer. In which case I was rooting for the cat, but still, it attacked him.

lazs2 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:05:16 AM »

ahhh... so we shouldn't kill snakes because there is plenty of antivenom around at the local hospital if we step on one in the grass and it poisons us but we should fear cat attacks?

because... they are not as domesticated as dogs? are you seriously saying that cats are more of a threat to people than dogs? or even squirrels? Unless you hunt with one a dog is pretty darn useless and... it kills for fun too except.. it doesn't kill the right stuff like vermin and.. it carries rabies more often than cats and.. dog attacks are not only a hell of a lot more common than (choke,, gasp) "cat attacks" but a hell of a lot more dangerous to the person attacked.

You just get better and better guy.

So dogs are ok with you? Even if they kill your beloved snakes?

lazs

Dichotomy · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:12:56 AM »

You know peanoodles and guinea hens are also good for keeping the local snake populace down. Do they go nuts and attack humans very often? All this talk about rabid cats has merely reinforced my hatred for and outright fear of the feline species.

All kidding aside McFarland I see your point of view. However, as I previously stated, I'm fairly astute at determining if a snake is poisonous or not but I tend to err on the side of caution. If I think its a rattler, copperhead, coral, watter moccasin, etc.... boom ... good snake.

When I lived in the country I kept cats in my barn to control the rodent populace. The 'rents wouldn't let me get any peanoodles or guineas. And they did a fine job.

Different strokes and all I don't think any of the snake species in the country are on the endangered species list quite yet.

McFarland · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:17:38 AM »

You're a cat person. Dogs are better than cats. They are loyal. I've never seen loyalty in a cat. And if a snake is lying in the grass, you're going to see it. Or you're just blind. I've never been attacked by a dog, or a squirrel, but a cat? Yes, they've bit me several times. And clawed me. And I've taught me dogs not to kill anything other than what I tell them to. All it takes is good training. Guess you're too lazy to spend time training a dog, and just prefer cats that kill everything smaller than them, and more than what they can eat. And dogs aren't useless, they are good for protection of property, and of your stock. They will bark at and attack coyotes, and alert you to thieves. But you're a cat person.....

McFarland · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:18:51 AM »

And yes, there are species of snakes on the endangered species list.

McFarland · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:23:12 AM »

And yes, Dichotomy, I can see where you're coming from. But I just prefer to leave all snakes be, they are getting fewer around here. And I've never seen a peacock or guinea kill a snake, but they are good for getting rid of insect pests.

lazs2 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:38:48 AM »

I am not a cat or a dog person. I just realize that for 90% or better of "dog owners" they shouldn't have a dog. I have no use for a dog and don't want to be owned by one.

I have cats at work to kill vermin. they are no trouble at all and if they can be trained I don't care. they are self trained. there is no real need to train em.. they come with all the built in training needed.

Unlike dogs.. they won't kill themselves if you leave em too much food.. they won't crap on the floor and they don't bury their nose in your crotch or growl or bite.

And.. you can't train a dog to not kill... you can only babysit.. you let that dog run wild and the first thing he sees he will try to kill. He will pack up with other dogs that run wild and kill small and large animals including livestock.

You see dogs hanging from barbed wire fences around here all the time... ones ranchers have shot. The same rancher may own a dog of his own.. but any dog running wild will kill livestock and pack up with ones that do. I have killed a dozen or so myself. three one time that were for all intents and purposes.. acting like a pack of wolves... stupid dogs were trying to flank me while the leader tried to get my attention. The first one shot just startled the others. 44 with solids is good dog medicine.

But don't worry mcfarland... we kill a lot more cats than they kill us every year and the poisonous ones are rare and easy to identify and ... the hospitals have anti venom and can also sew back on the limbs that attacking puddy tats rip from your helpless body. Unless of course the cat drags you up a tree to finish you off.

What would steve irwin say about your fear of cats?

lazs

McFarland · « **Reply #25 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:49:52 AM »

Dogs are better than cats. They keep out the coyotes (I have yet to see a cat do this), they bark at thieves, they bark at people coming onto your land, they help you hunt, they are loyal, they can be trained not to kill, they will keep away wild dogs, and they don't overbreed and become a nuisance. You say that you kill cats, well, why? I thought they were doing good? If you have to kill them, then you don't need them. God didn't put us here to kill everything, he put us here to control things and keep things working properly. People aren't meant to do the things you do. We weren't given dominance over life and death. We are only supposed to take what we need, not everything. Most serial killers start out like you, killing small animals. And what would Steve Irwin say aboot me fear of cats? Nothing, for I have no fear of cats. You are mistaking knowledge for fear. I know that cats will attack. Doesn't keep me from petting them. Me papaw has two cats, doesn't keep me from going over there. And I pet them. They are good cats, tame, not like feral cats and the like.

Engine · « **Reply #26 on:** July 12, 2007, 09:02:48 AM »

Killing an animal you don't need to, just because you can... is a mark of pansiness.

McFarland · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2007, 09:05:23 AM »

Well said Engine.

lazs2 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2007, 09:08:11 AM »

Killing an animal that might kill your children is neither manly nor pansie..

It is simply prudent.

lazs

McFarland · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2007, 09:11:43 AM »

That's why you teach them to leave the snake alone. and it seems to me, that is boasting of killing something that couldn't defend itself. And was causing no one any harm. That's just stupid, cruel, and crazy.