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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2007, 03:17:32 AM »
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No, there really are cures for illnesses found in snake venoms. There really is an extract of copperhead venom that can help cure cancer. That is a fact. And it is also fact that we are making many soecies of plants and animals extinct that could have cures for illnesses in them.


So provide some sources ;)
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« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2007, 04:53:00 AM »
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I hate snakes, with a passion. This is how bad I hate snakes.....

One time I was fishing at a reservoir and saw a dead one......so I stomped on it and kicked it.....just to be sure.....I mean, I really went off on this thing.

Guy I was with says......what the HECK are you doing? It was already dead. I said.....I just had to be sure....:rofl



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« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2007, 12:35:47 PM »
Me sources: Cures in Venom.

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« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2007, 10:35:22 PM »
Hi Guys,

Just a couple of observations, from the pics it doesn't look like a Bull Snake - they have a far more profuse stripe pattern:



It does look more like a Rattler:



Speaking of Rattlers, our Fourth of July fireworks display was ruined by one when it bit all three of our host's cats in the backyard before we were scheduled to leave for the display. The affected limbs and head all swelled up like balloons and running the cats to the vet made us late for the display at Ft. Bragg. In the end we were only able to watch from many miles away by the side of one of the roads leading to the post. I'm kind of past the gotta see the display age myself, but our children were disappointed. I have to admit to being very much in favor of hunting it down and killing it before it bit anything else.

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« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2007, 11:14:29 PM »
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Hi Guys,

Just a couple of observations, from the pics it doesn't look like a Bull Snake - they have a far more profuse stripe pattern:



It does look more like a Rattler:



Speaking of Rattlers, our Fourth of July fireworks display was ruined by one when it bit all three of our host's cats in the backyard before we were scheduled to leave for the display. The affected limbs and head all swelled up like balloons and running the cats to the vet made us late for the display at Ft. Bragg. In the end we were only able to watch from many miles away by the side of one of the roads leading to the post. I'm kind of past the gotta see the display age myself, but our children were disappointed. I have to admit to being very much in favor of hunting it down and killing it before it bit anything else.

- SEAGOON


IMHO, the first pic doesn't look like a rattler, just from the shape of the head.  But who cares anyhow?  Snakes don't attack people, it musta been your hosts imagination.  Maybe you should refer them to McFarland.

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« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2007, 11:20:32 PM »
Just saw a pic of a 9' 1" timber rattler that weighted 97 pounds. He used to live around a house near a recreational lake 20 miles south of KC.

He was made into a good snake.

Impressive picture. Head the size of the guy's knee.
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« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2007, 11:38:23 PM »
Hi FBBone,

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IMHO, the first pic doesn't look like a rattler, just from the shape of the head.  But who cares anyhow?  Snakes don't attack people, it musta been your hosts imagination.  Maybe you should refer them to McFarland.


Top picture is a bull snake, bottom is a Timber Rattler, I included them for comparison to the original "dead snake pics."

BTW - if your theory is right, our friends have an even bigger problem, namely that someone in the neighborhood who is very good at camouflage is going around injecting cats with venom using two syringes spaced barely a couple of inches apart. The fiend.
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« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2007, 11:05:01 AM »
mcfarland.. I have nothing against habitats (enclosed) or labs keeping snakes to research em for "cures".  If they get out tho.. I am gonna kill em.

 mostly what they are good for is making antitoxins to save your life when one the wild ones bites you or your child.

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« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2007, 11:15:11 AM »
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Hi FBBone,

 

Top picture is a bull snake, bottom is a Timber Rattler, I included them for comparison to the original "dead snake pics."

BTW - if your theory is right, our friends have an even bigger problem, namely that someone in the neighborhood who is very good at camouflage is going around injecting cats with venom using two syringes spaced barely a couple of inches apart. The fiend.


Well, its not my theory, it's McFarlands fact.  Also according to him, if it was snakes biting those cats they would've been eaten, after all snakes only kill what they can eat.  Right McFarland??????????????:rolleyes:

I should have read your post a little more closely, BTW.
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« Reply #69 on: July 15, 2007, 01:36:52 PM »
I said they bite only in defence and for food. Not just for food. The cats may have tried to kill it, and it bit them to defend itself. Cats will often jump at anything that moves. It's why you can "play" with kittens by swinging a mouse on a string. But no, most wild snakes aren't even venomous, it's just that people think they are. Most snakes you run across aren't venomous, they just look like them to protect themselves. Granted, it's quite easy to tell them apart, but most people just say "Snake!!!!!" and pull the trigger. They don't really care one way or the other, they think all snakes are dangerous and evil. But garter snakes are good at getting rid of locusts (the flying grasshoppers that eat crops, not the thorny trees) and other ahrmfull insects, and they will eat small mice. Larger snakes, such as black snakes, bullsnakes, and hog-nosed snakes eat mice and rats, and keep their populations low or almost nonexistant. Copperheads and rattlesnakes eat mice, rabbits, rats, and other small, harmfull pests of crops. None of these snakes will chase people, and most will try to get out of your way. As you said, most snakes are caught and "milked" for their venom, to make anti venoms. But this is changing rapidly, as scientists study the components of the venoms, some of which can be used for medical purposes. Such as the compound in copperhead venom that is very good at stopping breast cancer from growing and spreading to other areas of the body. But many of the snakes that they get the venom from are wild caught, and then released. They don't keep many snakes in captivity, as it is much easier to collect them from the wild, milk the venom, and then release them. This keeps the cost of collecting the venom low, and thus the cost of the final product low. And it takes many snakes just to get a small amount of venom, and it takes a good amount of venom to get a small amount of the final product. So, most of the snakes they get the venom from are already "out".

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« Reply #70 on: July 15, 2007, 02:26:08 PM »
Its a Brown Recluse! Kill it!




oops , sry. wrong thread...kinda:rolleyes:
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« Reply #71 on: July 15, 2007, 07:41:02 PM »
macfarland thats a complete lie i have a friend who recently travlede to the east coast of america and was bitten by a timber rattlesnake while she was hiking she suffered severe wounds almost death and her hospital fees are in excess of 100,000 dollars.

i know a few poeple who have been bitten mainly friends in ca and they were all just hijing or sitting when atacked. and btw the standered anti venom and hospital stay will leave you with permamnant wounds some severe sometimes numbness of a limb and almost always hospital bills in excess of 100,000 dollars and thats if you live so how is a snake harmless again?
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« Reply #72 on: July 15, 2007, 10:18:46 PM »
heheh..I have " been attacked by cats"...????

More then once?....what are you lapping up the milk bowl from the ground?

lord have mercy thsi is funny

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« Reply #73 on: July 15, 2007, 10:51:42 PM »
For evenhaim: They were not bitten by copperheads. The venom of copperheads is very seldom fatal. As for timber rattlers, there are anti venoms available. And they usually aren't fatal either, but it does depend on the site of the bite and how it is treated. Did your friends constrict the area above the bite with a compression? Or try the false method of cutting the bite and trying to suck out the venom? Also, the antivenom can often cause problems, and be more dangerous than the bite itself. And did your friends watch what they were doing? And listen for the rattlers warning? Many people go hiking, but they are oblivious to nature, listening to tape cassetes and the like, and don't listen to the sounds around them. And you should never sit down or walk without watching what you are doing. Snakes don't hunt down people, it is more likely the snake was already there and your friends did not watch or listen to what was going on around them. That is why you pay attention when outdoors, not just go lumbering on, oblivous to everything around you. And you don't try to kill them, the majority of bites happen when people try to kill or pick up dead snakes. Snakes aren't out to get people, and will try to warn or get away when you come near. It's not a complete lie. Snakes will only bite in defence or for food. and if you are also referring to the medical portion of the post as a lie (if you read that far), then go here.

At BiGBMAW: No, I was not bothering the cats. And if you think it's funny, then talk to me little brother. He carries the scars a cat gave him when he was a baby. The cat just decided it didn't like him, and jumped on him and started biting and clawing him. And as for the other one that attacked me, it just jumped on me leg and grabbed hold, and starting trying to bite me. Lucky for me, it only broke the skin in a couple of places on me calf. I then kicked it from the back yard to the front, aboot 40 feet. Cats are very tempermental, they can be just fine one minute, and then biting and clawing the next.

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« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2007, 02:08:28 AM »
McFarland I have a proposal for you.
If you could possibly capture some of these demon cats in your area , without losing any lives, of course, I might possibly be willing to pay you for the service and handle the shipping.
I would like to have some of the original bloodline cats from around the area that you reside in to use for breeding stock in an attempt to produce a colony of attack cats for commercial and business purposes.
I figure considering the difference in food intake of the average cat in comparison to Dobies and Rotts I could offer security and guard services to business owners in my area at a considerable savings and just might corner the market for after hours guard services and such.
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