I hate russia.

[Viking]

Yeah, Adolf had Sweden in his back pocket alright .

[Hortlund]

Nah, we were more like a passive ally to Germany than anything else. Not only did we keep their war industry going, we escorted their ships, allowed their troops to transit and only stopped doing all of the above when the US outright threatened to declare war on us if we didnt. In late 1944...

However, we were smart enough to sell the pieces of a crashed V2 rocket to the US in 1945, and therefore we became part of the good guys...we even recieved Marshall aid.

We rock.

So what did norway do? Oh thats right...you were invaded. Sucks to be you.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Nah, we were more like a passive ally to Germany than anything else.

"I vas an innocent.  De orders ver given at a higher level.  I vas chust a soldier following orders of superiors."

[Angus]

Oh dear, am I evil, - vhat haf I sctartet.....

[Angus]

Come to think of it, what IF the Swedes had aided their brethren and the British in the fight of Norway. Would the Germans have been stopped?
The whole invasion was rather lucky for them after all, notably escaping past the RN, but still not over in a Blitz, - there was still fighting going on in Norway when the western front opened AFAIK.
Interesting question....

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Angus
Come to think of it, what IF the Swedes had aided their brethren and the British in the fight of Norway. Would the Germans have been stopped?
 

LOL no.

Our armed forces at the time (April 1940) were not really ready for a war. The invasion caught us completely by surprise, and we had merely a handful of batallions combat-ready. We had to struggle just to secure our major ports on April 9th (all four of them).

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
"I vas an innocent.  De orders ver given at a higher level.  I vas chust a soldier following orders of superiors."

Well I am indeed innocent, since all these things took place more than 30 years before my birth.

Other than that...meh, we saw the USSR as a bigger threat than Germany. And the USSR were indeed a bigger threat to us than Germany.

Also consider this:

Sweden - Germany = Long history of excellent relations, especially the northern parts of Germany where we have had close relations since the dawn of time (well, since the 13th century anyway).

Sweden - Russia = Long history of war and hostility.

[storch]

I like most people, it's easy to like individuals but easier to hate a whole race of them.  for me it is thus with the russians.  as a people they are not very admirable but as individuals they can be quite warm.  the soviet system and it's complete and utter failure is the very reason as to why a populace should at all times be armed.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, 61,911,000 people total between the two, 54,769,000 of them citizens.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.CHAP.1.HTM

Keep believing this bull****. Looks like it originates in nazi propaganda leaflets from WWII (BTW they really had to be extremely optimistic to print "surrender pass" leaflets until 1944).

My dear distant friend, 62 million you mention plus 27 million in a War - it's over 50% of the population in that times. Propaganda for mentally disabled.

Confirmed number of executed from 21 to 53 is less then one million according to prof. Zemskov's numbers accepted by Western historians. I mean - serious historians, not idiots quoting Solzhenitsyn and bringing ridiculous billions of victims.

Does that Hawaiian site also say that Russian Communists crucified Christ?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Fishu
Oh my dear god..  childrens concentration camps on your land. How many times have you russians exagerrated everything that was done abroad against russian population? In the meanwhile you forget your own misdeeds and glorify the deeds! Such hypocricy.

You'd better STFU, I take it personally: my friend's Mother spent 2 years in Finnish concentration camp in Karelia, she was 7 in 1941.

Originally posted by Fishu
There's a thing that separates us: We can admit misdeeds, but you russians can't admit to a single fault.

You still deny ethnic cleansings in Karelia and "migrant camps", but the facts are facts.

You probably will also deny Finnish troops fighting in Karelia until 1922, with the dreams of "greater Finland" to the Urals. You also deny the fact that Finnish army in 1941-44 had a clear objective of capturing Leningrad, participating in a Siege starving over a million people.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Angus
Oooohh-hooooh, now we're all the way down to naughty Finns

Get this into your head Boroda, USSR INVADED Finland. Finnish fought back. USSR even tried to bend Finland with terror-bombing in the very first days (Helsinki) with no result. Much later Finland eventually buckles and has to bite the sour apple of loosing a lot of territory.
Then Adolf goes on the march, doing fast and fine, and grudgy Finns lend him half-a-hand. Victory goes to the Allies eventually and Finns loose 1/8th of their country to the USSR. It is today one of the ugliest zones in Russia.

And while Helsinki was being bombed, little Adolf was fuelling his Panzers and aircraft with USSR fuel. Peacefully

I am bored by this Finnish topics when our friends from Suomi deny obvious things.

Their pre-war government wins a prize: they refused to lend us Hanko (so we could cover mine-positions in the mouth of the Finnish Gulf with artillery, that worked for mutual security), then their arrogance led to a war that they couldn't win, and ended up with USSR taking as much as Vyborg area that was given as a present to Great Principate of Finland by the Russian crown.

In March 1940 nothing could stop Red Army from marching into Helsinki, and it shows that USSR didn't seed to occupy Finland, we just needed to protect ourselves, at least to restore naval defense as mush as possible (with no chance to reach the 1914-1917 level). BTW, in 1918-19 British ships could break into Finnish Gulf only after forts on Finnish shore were either abandoned or blown up.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Boroda
that worked for mutual security

Except you cant have mutual security with your only threat. Since 1800, Finland and Sweden has only been threatened from the east.

And you are quite charming when you declare that Finland should have given up a part of its territory to you...and therefore Finland is responsible for the war...where you invaded them and took their lands.

Thank you Boroda, for demonstrating why russia should be hated, much more eloquently than I could ever have explained.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Boroda
You'd better STFU, I take it personally: my friend's Mother spent 2 years in Finnish concentration camp in Karelia, she was 7 in 1941.

Yeah, when it comes to your friends mothers, thats when it gets personal.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Except you cant have mutual security with your only threat. Since 1800, Finland and Sweden has only been threatened from the east.

And you are quite charming when you declare that Finland should have given up a part of its territory to you...and therefore Finland is responsible for the war...where you invaded them and took their lands.

Thank you Boroda, for demonstrating why russia should be hated, much more eloquently than I could ever have explained.

I always said that White-Finnish war was an act of aggression from Soviet side. Hard to deny obvious things (but our Finnish friends still try). But it looks foolish, typical "democratic" govt failure with reality-check: losing much after refusing to give little for significant sum of money and investments in infrastructure and maybe even jobs.

Gulf of Finland's mouth had to be sealed against German or British navy. In WWI it was done successfully with Porkala-Udd mine-artillery position, a system of mine-fields covered by coastal artillery from both sides of the Gulf. Northern part (Sveaborg, Ino and other forts) were destroyed or abandoned. With only the Southern part the position was obviously incomplete and useless - the mines could be swept out of reach of coastal artillery.

IMHO it's obvious that it's purely defensive and important. Remember - in WWI Germans didn't get into Finnish Gulf.

[klingan]

Originally posted by Hortlund
We rock.

So what did norway do? Oh thats right...you were invaded. Sucks to be you.