Author Topic: I hate russia. (Read 8863 times)

Angus · « **Reply #195 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:45:19 AM »

Ahem, Boroda, I was referring to the Finns on this board.
As for this:
"UK signing peace with nazis was considered a most possible development of the situation by Soviet leadership"

When USSR invaded Finland, USSR had PEACE with GERMANY, and UK had WAR with GERMANY.

ok?

Angus · « **Reply #196 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:47:46 AM »

As for the most possible development, - invading Finland was only likely to fuel it up, for the Brits might then be confronted with peace with the lesser of two evils. Luckily they soldiered on, and fought Germany which was at the time being gassed and steeled up by USSR and Sweden, just not the USA because of the often overlooked Royal Navy.

Toad · « **Reply #197 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:51:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Look, you planned to burn us only because we give people an alternative, a different way, .

No, our war plans were all a defense against continued Soviet aggression and enslavement of independent European countries.

Wait.. the Czechs and Hungarians just loved you guys, right?

Boroda · « **Reply #198 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:59:29 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
the berlin wall was put up to keep west berliners out? people are building rafts in miami and risking their lives to return to cuba?

Now tell me why you have shut the Iron Curtain after it was open from our side?

I told you: there are dissatisfied people in any society. Especially if they are badly misinformed. Again: there were some people who asked for political asylum in the USSR during the Cold War, but, funny, you will never hear about them in Western "free media". Hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by storch
bar tender I'll have what pavel is having please.

Give him a mug of Arsenal Hardened (Arsenalnoye Zakalyonnoye)! Do you have strong beers with pepper there? I didn't see anything like that, your strong beers are tasteless (except some Aussie brands). Or maybe a 100ml shot of Nemiroff Honey and Pepper (I know it's exported from Ukraine to the West) with pickled garlic springs wrapped in salo (salted pork lard) and black bread?

How can we speak about mutual understanding when their drinking habits are so primitive and barbaric?... Poor victims of Western advertising!

kilz · « **Reply #199 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:00:15 AM »

this thread is not funny nor is it cool. well storch was kinda funny. the most part is i am suprised Skuzzy has not Skuzzified it yet all i have to say is IN

Boroda · « **Reply #200 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:05:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
No, our war plans were all a defense against continued Soviet aggression and enslavement of independent European countries.

Soviet aggression?! We simply wanted to be left alone, we had our country totally destroyed two times in 30 years, and tried to build a barrier against "civilized world".

Toad, US planned a first strike against USSR, and if we didn't get the Bomb in 1949 - this planned had to be fulfilled. Face it. It was YOUR job to "plot ingress routes", not some VVS pilot's flying over the US.

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Originally posted by Toad
Wait.. the Czechs and Hungarians just loved you guys, right?

Believe me or not, but my friends had a lot of fun in Prague several years ago singing Russian songs with locals in a bar. And about Hungary: the civil war there was provoked by CIA, and US officials admitted it. Just curious, if Mexico will have a new regime that will hang all "gringos" on lamp-posts - what will be the US reaction? Sending diplomatic notes?

Boroda · « **Reply #201 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:09:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Angus
Ahem, Boroda, I was referring to the Finns on this board.
As for this:
"UK signing peace with nazis was considered a most possible development of the situation by Soviet leadership"

When USSR invaded Finland, USSR had PEACE with GERMANY, and UK had WAR with GERMANY.

ok?

Read about Moscow negotiations Aug 1939. "Allies" refused from all Soviet offers, refused to deploy any significant forces against Germany and literally forced USSR to sign a non-aggression treaty with nazis. It's hard to keep this discussion when you don't know basic facts about pre-war politics in Europe, sorry.

Elfie · « **Reply #202 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:09:47 AM »

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I always said that White-Finnish war was an act of aggression from Soviet side.

No you haven't. You have consistently blamed the Finns for that entire war and all the lives lost. Your argument on that is really no different than offering to trade cars with your neighbor with a cash inducement involved. When your neighbor refuses, you beat the crap out of him and then blame him for you kicking the crap out of him. A rediculous argument. If you had *just* traded....you wouldn't be laying there broken and bleeding....

Boroda · « **Reply #203 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:14:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
See, like I told you, the russian history has no equal in the world.

Prior to the war there were no ethnic prison camps.

Name one country in the WWII that did not move the population originating from a hostile country to an internation camp? For example the UK interned a bunch of germans living in the country, also some finnish sailors were interned. Russia wasn't an exception.

Name one country? Well: USSR. Ethnic Germans were never "put into internment camps", they were evacuated into Kazakhstan, and it happened only after German colonists in the Ukraine started shooting Soviet soldiers in the back.

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Originally posted by Fishu
What happened to the "ethnically inappropriate" estonians, who were sent in masses to the east after the war? Oh yeah.. now I remember, the unemployed estonians volunteered to look for work halfway around the world, while the unemployed russians moved to improve infrastructure in Estonia.

Btw. What/who was the big guy with us in the winter war?

Less then 10,000 Estonians were relocated by force (exiled or imprisoned) after the War. If you count members of Estonian SS legion - it will pretty much explain it. All they got was like 3 years of exile. Don't whistle in my ears about "Soviet ethnic cleansings", this guys had hands deep in blood.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #204 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:16:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Define "communism". Define "freedom". Define "slavery".

You speak about things you don't have a slightest idea of. Should I post a same diatribe about so-called "free world" here?

Yes, you have to keep people out, just as we do, and this is a clear and bright illustration to your hypocrisy: now it's YOU who build a new Iron Curtain. Nothing changes. All this hype about "walls" and "keeping people in" is nothing but propaganda bull****.

Look, you planned to burn us only because we give people an alternative, a different way, a reason to doubt the "divinely given" state of affairs in the West, undermining the power of your "democratically-elected" olygarchy. A sick "protestant ethics" against Orthodox moral, it have been a problem for you for centuries. Your anti-communist propaganda crap isn't much different from slogans and brainwashing of the 7-Years War or Teutons robbing and raping our North-West since XIII century.

So why was the Berlin Wall manned by gunners? Why not let Germans......I mean families go about Berlin?

Lenin founded his govt. and had the help of a drunkard (shock) and potato monger named Rasputin. The govt's purpose exceeded the intended purpose of "using Marxism" as a guideline. Liquidation of civilians rivaled the stupidity of the Salem With Trials, by accusing anyone it felt.

You keep saying "we", although no one else is preaching this crap. Why?

Boroda · « **Reply #205 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:16:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
No you haven't. Y

Don't put your words into my mouth. This discussion with Finns is years old.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #206 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:16:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Name one country? Well: USSR. Ethnic Germans were never "put into internment camps", they were evacuated into Kazakhstan, and it happened only after German colonists in the Ukraine started shooting Soviet soldiers in the back.

Less then 10,000 Estonians were relocated by force (exiled or imprisoned) after the War. If you count members of Estonian SS legion - it will pretty much explain it. All they got was like 3 years of exile. Don't whistle in my ears about "Soviet ethnic cleansings", this guys had hands deep in blood.

Katyn, Poland, Hungary, Romania, East Germany, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. Any country the USSR "grabbed" murder soon followed. Even if they were captured and imprisoned, they were usually killed. Communism = Blind and Accepted Hatred.

Boroda · « **Reply #207 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:19:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Liar.

Nice to meet you, I'm Pavel. You can call me Paul.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #208 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:20:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Nice to meet you, I'm Pavel. You can call me Paul.

You are a pathological Liar.

Elfie · « **Reply #209 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:31:28 AM »

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Rather it's about people wanting to see Russians be accountable for some of the evil things their government did.

Looks like this still won't happen at least on this message board.

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Don't put your words into my mouth. This discussion with Finns is years old.

I didn't put words in your mouth. It is YOUR argument that the invasion of Finland was the fault of Finland herself for not wanting to trade chunks of land.

Which is no different in principle than the analogy I used.

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Read about Moscow negotiations Aug 1939. "Allies" refused from all Soviet offers, refused to deploy any significant forces against Germany and literally forced USSR to sign a non-aggression treaty with nazis. It's hard to keep this discussion when you don't know basic facts about pre-war politics in Europe, sorry.

Again, you blame others for the actions of your country. In August of 1939 the Allies didn't want war with Germany, were still hoping it could be avoided. So why would they deploy forces against Germany? They wanted peace.

If Stalin hadn't purged his military officers the Red Army would have been in a much better position to defend Mother Russia when the Germans did invade.