Author Topic: Pot heads support terrorism. (Read 6461 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #150 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:25:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Bucky73
Would this country be safer if alcohol wasn't illegal?-Absolutely,

ahh, like alcohol is legal beavis.

Major Biggles · « **Reply #151 on:** July 17, 2007, 06:44:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Bucky73
Think about it...Do you really NEED pot??

no, but it's MY right to choose to smoke it, not some stunninghunk.

SkyRock · « **Reply #152 on:** July 17, 2007, 07:02:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Bucky73
...Do you really NEED pot??

That is for noone to determine but a free man himself!

Mark

trax1 · « **Reply #153 on:** July 17, 2007, 07:39:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Bucky73

Think about it...Do you really NEED pot?? If you do then you have bigger problems than bickering back and forth with me on these boards. The fact that some of you are argueing with me alone is proof that it is addictive.

Personally I haven't smoked pot in years, but I do feel that it is a drug that should be removed from the banned substance list. I feel that this government spends to much time and money arresting people for a drug that is harmless compared to the drugs that are legal like alcohol and nicotine. There are alot of medical uses for marijuana that should be allowed, like giving it to cancer patients to help there pain, and help with there appetite so they'll eat. It's also known to help with glaucoma patients. So as I've stated before, I personally don't smoke pot anymore, but I do feel that it's harmless enough(compared to other legal drugs) that it should be made legal.

Bucky73 · « **Reply #154 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:02:06 PM »

You bet....if it can be used to help someone ease their pain from a medical issue I am all for it.

trax1 · « **Reply #155 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:07:16 PM »

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Originally posted by 68Hawk
Honestly meth and crack are probably more dangerous animals than heroin itself.

Smoking ingestion vs. IV ingestion make it more appealing to casual trial. They are both cheaper, and meth can be made from materials that are legally available on the domestic market. Any idiot with a kitchen can make either one of these (especially crack).

From seeing people on all three of these things I would have to say (purely from observation and discussion) that crack and meth are more debilitating and provoke their users into more frequent episodes of use. By this I mean that crack, as it is smoked and enters/leaves the body faster, will tend to be used more frequently than IV drugs.

I've never had someone on heroin walk up to me and ask me to kill them...

I have to disagree with you, even though they are all very evil substances and should all be avoided at all cost, I have to say heroin is the worst of the 3. Heroin is a drug that will cause you to go through an actually physical withdrawal, you would experience the worst possible feeling you could imagine, you feel like your dying, you get hot & cold flashes, you starting throwing up violently, you get diarrhea, ever muscle in your body hurts and cramps up, you feel like you have this haze over your brain, the light hurts your eyes, like I said you feel like your going to die. I had a friend that was a heroin user that was arrested and put in county jail, on the 3rd day he couldn't take the withdrawals anymore and hung himself to death, I'm personally a recovering heroin user and I can tell you that I've come close to doing the same when I was going through bad withdrawals if I went a day or two and couldn't get any. See with drugs like crack & meth you get a phycological withdrawal but no real physical withdrawal. With crack & meth you could decide to go a day or two without using, but with heroin if you don't use for around 12 hours your gonna start feeling the withdrawal coming on. As for smoking ingestion vs. IV ingestion to make it more appealing, most user don't start out injecting, almost everyone I knew that used heroin started snorting it for the first few years of use, then move on to injecting. Also to say that any idiot with a kitchen can make meth is way off, to make meth is a very complex recipe and uses alot chemistry, I've never done it, but I know it's quite dangerous and difficult to make. As for saying that crack and meth are more debilitating and provoke their users into more frequent episodes of use is something I also have to disagree with, as I stated earlier, with heroin you have to use everyday or your gonna be hurting real bad, but with crack & meth you can say go a day or two and not use with no physical withdrawal. As I stated in the beginning of the post, these are all very evil substances and should be avoided at all cost.

68Hawk · « **Reply #156 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:38:05 PM »

Trax,

Glad to hear you kicked it. I don't mean to say in any way that Heroin is not also an evil animal. Smoking cocaine vs snorting it is one of the crucial reasons why Crack is so much more dangerous than powdered cocaine. I guess I'm just saying that they're different in nature, and bad for their own reasons.

I'd really love to see my tax dollars spent in treatment of these problems instead of on arresting Marijuana users.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #157 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:51:33 PM »

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Originally posted by 68Hawk

I'd really love to see my tax dollars spent in treatment of these problems instead of on arresting Marijuana users.

Until drug addiction is treated in this country as a sickness instead of a criminal offense, that will never happen.

ack-ack

vorticon · « **Reply #158 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:52:06 PM »

drug dealers support terrorists? absurd...

unless you consider organized crime to be terrorism.

Sweet2th · « **Reply #159 on:** July 17, 2007, 08:54:07 PM »

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Originally posted by trax1
I have to disagree with you, even though they are all very evil substances and should all be avoided at all cost, I have to say heroin is the worst of the 3. Heroin is a drug that will cause you to go through an actually physical withdrawal, you would experience the worst possible feeling you could imagine, you feel like your dying, you get hot & cold flashes, you starting throwing up violently, you get diarrhea, ever muscle in your body hurts and cramps up, you feel like you have this haze over your brain, the light hurts your eyes, like I said you feel like your going to die. I had a friend that was a heroin user that was arrested and put in county jail, on the 3rd day he couldn't take the withdrawals anymore and hung himself to death, I'm personally a recovering heroin user and I can tell you that I've come close to doing the same when I was going through bad withdrawals if I went a day or two and couldn't get any. See with drugs like crack & meth you get a phycological withdrawal but no real physical withdrawal. With crack & meth you could decide to go a day or two without using, but with heroin if you don't use for around 12 hours your gonna start feeling the withdrawal coming on. As for smoking ingestion vs. IV ingestion to make it more appealing, most user don't start out injecting, almost everyone I knew that used heroin started snorting it for the first few years of use, then move on to injecting. Also to say that any idiot with a kitchen can make meth is way off, to make meth is a very complex recipe and uses alot chemistry, I've never done it, but I know it's quite dangerous and difficult to make. As for saying that crack and meth are more debilitating and provoke their users into more frequent episodes of use is something I also have to disagree with, as I stated earlier, with heroin you have to use everyday or your gonna be hurting real bad, but with crack & meth you can say go a day or two and not use with no physical withdrawal. As I stated in the beginning of the post, these are all very evil substances and should be avoided at all cost.

Experts say that quitting tabbacco is way harder than smack.

yanksfan · « **Reply #160 on:** July 17, 2007, 09:29:12 PM »

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Originally posted by PanzerIV
maybe you and all the idiots here live under rocks but mind altering substances(illegal drugs) harm you whether you like that it harms you or not!
Our nation has made these substances illegal to protect us, not to be mean or so Bush can have it all to himself.

I don't smoke pot, makes me sillier then i already am,,,,,,,,but,,um, are you kidding?

Major Biggles · « **Reply #161 on:** July 17, 2007, 10:11:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Experts say that quitting tabbacco is way harder than smack.

most of these experts are dorks with no clue what they're talking about, as proven by the dweebs that wrote the reports that bucky has been trying to force us to believe.

Bucky73 · « **Reply #162 on:** July 18, 2007, 12:44:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Major Biggles
most of these experts are dorks with no clue what they're talking about, as proven by the dweebs that wrote the reports that bucky has been trying to force us to believe.

Lol...but we are to believe you Expert opinion........

riiiiiiiiiiiiight:rofl

lazs2 · « **Reply #163 on:** July 18, 2007, 08:16:14 AM »

biggles.. I wish that you had the same opinion.. that you should have the right to choose... about other laws like handguns and seatbelts and helmets and a myriad of other nanny laws... hell... wish we all did.

trax... You have a distorted view of heroin like all heroin addicts. I used it for a month straight and had no real problem dropping it.. some withdrawl of course.. Heroin, morphine laudnum.. all legal here till fairly recently.. I say there is a higher or the same percentage of addicts now than when it was legal.

I am not willing to give up my freedoms to coddle addicts. That is what you want.. you want mommy to protect you from yourself.. but.. you don't mind flushing everyones right to choose down the toilet to get it.

Most people I seen try heroin hated it.. they didn't like throwing up and felling like their brain was wrapped in cotton.. as an addict I was always surprised back then when people would try drugs I loved and they didn't agree. they hated em.

I hate pot...smoking it makes you stupid and dull. It makes you hungry and paranoid and useless. If I have to compete at anything short of an eating contest... I hope my opponents are pot heads. I won't work beside one and I won't share the road with em.

I will never vote to take away anyones right to use it or any other drug tho.

It simply is none of my business. If you can't control your addiction then that really is your problem... when you can't get your drug and steal from me then it becomes my problem... when you hide your addiction it becomes everyones problem.

sheesh... let people choose the risk they want in life.

lazs

FBBone · « **Reply #164 on:** July 18, 2007, 10:02:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Major Biggles
i'm 18, i've smoked for a few years.......................

also, being an 18 yr old, i drink a fa...........................

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most of these experts are dorks with no clue what they're talking about, as proven by the dweebs that wrote the reports that bucky has been trying to force us to believe.

Biggles, you seem like a decent enough guy, and I'm sorry if this offends you but, you're hardly in a position, at 18 whole years old, to be considered an expert on anything. Again, sorry. It's not, however, that I disagree with your position on this issue, just some of your arguments. You come off as a bit crass.

Myself, I say legalize pot. I still wouldn't use it though. The last time I did was before you were born and I don't miss it a bit. However, I don't want to step on the toes of those that wish to partake in a little smoke.

I do think that, like any other drug, its overuse could have detrimental effects. Not so much to the users health, but their productivity in society. Though, no more so than any other legal drug, such as alcohol as you like to point out. Pot heads and alcoholics, or for that matter, any addict has their usefulness limited by the "monkey" on their back, and none can ever achieve their full potential. Note that I'm not talking about casual users here, but bona-fide addicts. You may argue that pot isn't physically addictive, fine, I don't disagree. I walked away from it one day after having smoked probably more than my fair share for the time period i used it. But I have known people that, for whatever reason, all they could think about was getting stoned.

Education on moderation, I believe, is the key here. Our country likes to put things that our "nanny" govt. thinks are "impure" out of sight and reach of the population, and then wonders why, upon turning 21, otherwise sound thinking people go on all night drinking sprees. I say if your old enough to handle a motor vehicle, vote, and die for your country, then by all means, drink (or smoke) responsibly. I also think if your a parent and would like to let your child sample (note that I said sample, not indulge in) a small glass of wine or beer with dinner, then so be it.

As far as terrorism is concerned, I believe some cartels have terrorist connections. I don't think that Old Man Hippie down the road who grows his own and will sell you a few ounces is a threat to national security. He's providing a service, nothing more.

BUT, the gov didn't ask me, so its still illegal.