Pot heads support terrorism.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Until drug addiction is treated in this country as a sickness instead of a criminal offense, that will never happen.


ack-ack

There is no money in legal drugs for contractors, police dept's, FBI, ATF, DEA and so on. Contractors make a bunch of money because they sell  all the cool toys to the police dept's and so on. Then of course the DEA, police Dept's and so on all get bigger budgets because of drugs.

Not to mention that sates make a fortune on confiscated money, houses , cars and everything else under the sun.  Drugs is big money on both sides of the fence, the user is for the most part irrelevant to both sides involved.

Besides that you think HMO's would want to start paying for drug treatment? That would probably be bad for business..

[Elfie]

Besides that you think HMO's would want to start paying for drug treatment? That would probably be bad for business..

I've heard a lot of bad things being implied in regards to HMO's. We have our health coverage through and HMO, Kaiser Permanente, and have never had any issues with them.

In fact, I just had a sleep study done for Sleep Apnea. The doctor had no issues at all with sending me in for the sleep study. Their doctors, technicians and therapists are superb imo.

[trax1]

Originally posted by lazs2
biggles..  I wish that you had the same opinion.. that you should have the right to choose... about other laws like handguns and seatbelts and helmets and a myriad of other nanny laws...  hell... wish we all did.

trax... You have a distorted view of heroin like all heroin addicts.   I used it for a month straight and had no real problem dropping it..  some withdrawl of course..  Heroin, morphine laudnum.. all legal here till fairly recently.. I say there is a higher or the same percentage of addicts now than when it was legal.

I am not willing to give up my freedoms to coddle addicts.   That is what you want.. you want mommy to protect you from yourself.. but.. you don't mind flushing everyones right to choose down the toilet to get it.

Most people I seen try heroin hated it.. they didn't like throwing up and felling like their brain was wrapped in cotton..  as an addict I was always surprised back then when people would try drugs I loved and they didn't agree.   they hated em.

I hate pot...smoking it makes you stupid and dull.  It makes you hungry and paranoid and useless.  If I have to compete at anything short of an eating contest... I hope my opponents are pot heads.   I won't work beside one and I won't share the road with em.

I will never vote to take away anyones right to use it or any other drug tho.

It simply is none of my business.   If you can't control your addiction then that really is your problem... when you can't get your drug and steal from me then it becomes my problem... when you hide your addiction it becomes everyones problem.

sheesh...  let people choose the risk they want in life.

lazs

Ok I think your just insane, you might have used heroin for a month and had no problem kicking it, but trust me when you've been on it for years it gets a little harder to kick, the withdrawals are 100 times worst.  Making it legal would be the worst thing the government could ever do, trust me you would atleast see alot more people dying from it.  When you've been on it for years it's extremely difficult to kick and people do need help getting off it.  How would you have your rights taking away to coddle addicts?  Because the government says you can't use it?  Well lemme tell ya in this case the government is right to take away your right to use drugs like heroin, coke, meth and so on, these things destroy lives and have nothing good about them.  When you start losing people you love to drug use then maybe you'll see and understand what I'm saying.  These drugs are pure evil and when your a slave to them you'll do anything and hurt anyone to get it.  You will never convince me or just about anyone else that it would be a good idea to legalize these drugs.  How can you be so sure that if it was legal that there would be no rise in the number of users?  You can't, and it's not worth the risk to find out, even if only one person would become addicted and or die from it thats one too many and not worth it.  Like I said most of us that were addicted to these drugs needed help getting off them, and I guess you'll never understand that until your a full blown addict to them, and using heroin for a month isn't the same as using it for years, trust me the withdrawals are 100 times worst and makes it that much harder to quit.  If that help to get off it comes from the government arresting me then I appreciate it because it saved my life.

[trax1]

Originally posted by crockett
that you think HMO's would want to start paying for drug treatment? That would probably be bad for business..

Actually most HMO's do pay for drug treatment.  I know because they paid for my drug treatment.

[Hap]

Who's winning so far?

The stoners or the other side?

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Bucky73
Anybody, that thinks this country would be a safer place if they legalized pot is obviously using too much of their product.

 

What exactly is the "danger" in selling weed cigarettes at 7-11? I promise they wont jump off the shelf, into your pocket and force you to smoke them.

734,000 people will be arrested related to weed this year... without over half a million weed arrests to worry about, the police will obviously have time for more important matters...

Sounds like making pot legal has a better chance of making us safer.

46% of Americans polled by Zogby in 2006 support making marijuana legal, regulated like alcohol and gambling. They must all be smoking too much, or are aware if made legal, dangerous gangs of wild bud thugs wont be roaming the streets forcing people to smoke.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6838

[68ROX]

quote:
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Originally posted by Bucky73
Think about it...Do you really NEED pot??
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He has a valid point...

If after reading the pros and cons of this fine thread....


And FINALLY COME TO YOUR SENSES....

And  you decide that you are GOING TO GIVE UP smoking weed....


.....ganja, Maui Wowie, Alaskan Thunder, Panama Red, Thai Stick, Hippie Lettuce, Amsterdam Sticky Red Fingers.....MARIJUANA...then--

Email me, and I will provide you with a street address at which PROPER DISPOSAL of this EVIL SUBSTANCE can be done.

SAVE YOUSELVES!





























(I STILL BET that someone will ACTALLY think I am SERIOUS )



68ROX

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by FBBone
Biggles, you seem like a decent enough guy, and I'm sorry if this offends you but, you're hardly in a position, at 18 whole years old, to be considered an expert on anything.  Again, sorry.  It's not, however, that I disagree with your position on this issue, just some of your arguments.  You come off as a bit crass.

Myself, I say legalize pot.  I still wouldn't use it though.  The last time I did was before you were born and I don't miss it a bit.  However, I don't want to step on the toes of those that wish to partake in a little smoke.  

I do think that, like any other drug, its overuse could have detrimental effects.  Not so much to the users health, but their productivity in society.  Though, no more so than any other legal drug, such as alcohol as you like to point out.  Pot heads and alcoholics, or for that matter, any addict has their usefulness limited by the "monkey" on their back, and none can ever achieve their full potential.  Note that I'm not talking about casual users here, but bona-fide addicts.  You may argue that pot isn't physically addictive, fine, I don't disagree.  I walked away from it one day after having smoked probably more than my fair share for the time period i used it.  But I have known people that, for whatever reason, all they could think about was getting stoned.  

Education on moderation, I believe, is the key here.  Our country likes to put things that our "nanny" govt. thinks are "impure" out of sight and reach of the population, and then wonders why, upon turning 21, otherwise sound thinking people go on all night drinking sprees.  I say if your old enough to handle a motor vehicle, vote, and die for your country, then by all means, drink (or smoke) responsibly.  I also think if your a parent and would like to let your child sample (note that I said sample, not indulge in) a small glass of wine or beer with dinner, then so be it.

As far as terrorism is concerned, I believe some cartels have terrorist connections.  I don't think that Old Man Hippie down the road who grows his own and will sell you a few ounces is a threat to national security.  He's providing a service, nothing more.  

BUT, the gov didn't ask me, so its still illegal.

you're right, i'm certainly not the wisest guy, never claimed to be. doesn't change the fact though, that weed isn't as dangerous as booze or tobacco, and doesn't cause as big an effect on people's minds as booze, which are the main grounds for it being banned. here in the UK that bastages are even trying to reclassify it to class B instead of C, which would make it totally illegal, just being caught witha  small personal supply would get you in the can for 7 years, which is frickin rediculous.





@ lazs, the thing with guns is (and don't get me wrong, i love shooting, and own a lot of things like crossbows and air rifles), that they're a deadly weapon. i'm more comfortable knowing that there aren't loads of guys out there able to buy a gun freely, than knowing that i have a gun to fend them off the guys who can get guns easily.


it's tough though, i agree that people should have freedom to do what they like, but that gives crazies the 'right' to by a lethal weapon. i'd rather have some of my rights infringed by gun control than my right to live, the most important right of all, taken away from me by a crack addict off the street, looking to steal shizzle from my house.

guns and drugs are different. i love guns, they're great fun, and it's important to know that you will be able to protect your family if needed, but i think it's wiser to have no guns at all. there will still be gun crime, and there still is, but there are something like an average of 50 gun deaths here to the US's 10,000 or something. i think that's a price worth paying.

a bit of dope never hurt anyone, a gun is designed to hurt them.

[DREDIOCK]

Pot supports terrorism eh?

Well considering most of the pot smokers I know of obtain their stash locally from local growers. Some of which I know. I dont see how. LOL

In your average neighborhood I'd almost be willing ot bet that within a 1 mile radius there is at least 3-4 people growing stuff better then anything thats imported and thats where most of the supply comes from.

Personally I am starting to think that all this "if you do this you support terrorism. or if you do that the terrorists win. the Gov keeps spewing out. they are crying wolf and going to the well way too often.

But if you wanna say that it can also be said. If you smoke tobacco products, Drink alcohol, or purchace any number of products who's hands can be traced to Washington lobbyests with their hands in government officials pockets you are supporting corruption.

Now if they said Coke, Crank, Heroin (in particular) or any number of chemical type drugs I might buy into it.

Pot.....

Not so much

[lazs2]

biggles...ah... I see.. you want choice no matter how dangerous or expensive to society so long as it is something you like but want to limit choice in other people... thanks a bunch... stay in your own country till you get a better attitude on freedom.   I say your pot is more dangerous to me than my neighbor having a gun...  if you injure someone while on pot you should be punished.. If someone injures another with a gun... he should be punished.. other than that.. you should simply have the right to choose pot or a firearm.

My safe is full of firearms and you are more of a danger driving around loaded than I am out plinking with firearms.   Why is that so hard for busybodies of all stripes to understand?

trax..  I don't know how many times I have to say it... you were an addict and it was illegal.  You are now to the point where you are thanking the government for throwing you in jail and forcing you to do what you should have done for yourself.

I have been around heroin addicts.. they are scum.   All it takes if for them to not get their fix and every moral they ever had is out the window.   People see that and don't want to be that.  There are no fewer addicts now than there were when drugs were legal (% wise).

heroin addicts are useless.   It is obvious to anyone who is around em too... when it was legal people looked at em with disgust (as they should) and their example kept others from even trying it.

Only difference is.. because you want the government to coddle you and protect you from yourself... we have addicts stealing and destroying and killing to get their fix.  they turn into criminals because they can't pay for their habit.

because of addicts and people like you who want to coddle them by protecting them from themselves... we have twice as many police as we need and still have twice as much crime as we would have had with $5 a pound heroin or crank or pot or whatever.

personaly... I would just rather that the addicts use as much free drugs as they want.. if they want to kill themselves it is not my problem... I sure don't want to give up my freedom to protect em.  

And guess what.. if you really want to... you can still go to prison and get all "poor me" in there.. all ya gotta do is do the stupid crap loadies do and hurt someone.

I was an addict.   I got lucky and I got help.   I certainly don't need the government to tell me it was a bad thing.

lazs

[ozrocker]

Originally posted by wetrat
Panzer, EVERYTHING causes cancer. The stuff that makes shampoo bubbly? Yeah, carcinogen. Ditto for toothpaste. Metal tooth fillings? Yeah, they cause cancer too. Justifying something being illegal with a *slight* increase in cancer risk (an undocumented, unproven one at that) is nonsense.

Don't forget the "Flame Broiled Burger". Yes, your BK Whopper, or your own backyard grill burgers have a risk of causing cancer.
As wetrat stated, Everything causes cancer.
                         
                                  Oz

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by ozrocker
Don't forget the "Flame Broiled Burger". Yes, your BK Whopper, or your own backyard grill burgers have a risk of causing cancer.
As wetrat stated, Everything causes cancer.
                         
                                  Oz

Lets not forget the sun.
Or if you live near a city. The air you breathe places you at significantly higher risk too

OUTLAW THEM! OUTLAW THEM BOTH!

[FBBone]

Originally posted by Major Biggles
you're right, i'm certainly not the wisest guy, never claimed to be. doesn't change the fact though, that weed isn't as dangerous as booze or tobacco, and doesn't cause as big an effect on people's minds as booze, which are the main grounds for it being banned. here in the UK that bastages are even trying to reclassify it to class B instead of C, which would make it totally illegal, just being caught witha  small personal supply would get you in the can for 7 years, which is frickin rediculous.

I'm glad you didn't take it personally, and again, I agree with you on these points.

Originally posted by Major Biggles
it's tough though, i agree that people should have freedom to do what they like, but that gives crazies the 'right' to by a lethal weapon. i'd rather have some of my rights infringed by gun control than my right to live, the most important right of all, taken away from me by a crack addict off the street, looking to steal shizzle from my house.

Your argument falls apart here.  Remember, there are people on these boards and in your government that think people that would use weed are "crazies".  You don't want someone else to make your decisions for you but you are quick to make someone else's for them.  Rights are rights, whether its your right to smoke dope, or my right to pack heat.  To trample on ones only invites yours to be trampled.  Keep in mind that by the time they come after the things that YOU like, it's already too late.

Originally posted by Major Biggles
guns and drugs are different. i love guns, they're great fun, and it's important to know that you will be able to protect your family if needed, but i think it's wiser to have no guns at all. there will still be gun crime, and there still is, but there are something like an average of 50 gun deaths here to the US's 10,000 or something. i think that's a price worth paying.

a bit of dope never hurt anyone, a gun is designed to hurt them.

To this I will say, the one time I ever had an intruder enter my home, he didn't have a gun.  He had a tire iron and about a 75 pound weight advantage on me.  I had a gun, he left and was captured half a block away.  I don't think his lack of a firearm would have prevented him from pummeling me that night either.  At his trial he was informed by the judge how "lucky he was to be able to face me (the judge) in a court of law rather than face his creator."  I'd rather have the right to own a firearm, thank you.  

[trax1]

Originally posted by lazs2
trax..  I don't know how many times I have to say it... you were an addict and it was illegal.  You are now to the point where you are thanking the government for throwing you in jail and forcing you to do what you should have done for yourself.

I have been around heroin addicts.. they are scum.   All it takes if for them to not get their fix and every moral they ever had is out the window.   People see that and don't want to be that.  There are no fewer addicts now than there were when drugs were legal (% wise).

heroin addicts are useless.   It is obvious to anyone who is around em too... when it was legal people looked at em with disgust (as they should) and their example kept others from even trying it.

Only difference is.. because you want the government to coddle you and protect you from yourself... we have addicts stealing and destroying and killing to get their fix.  they turn into criminals because they can't pay for their habit.

because of addicts and people like you who want to coddle them by protecting them from themselves... we have twice as many police as we need and still have twice as much crime as we would have had with $5 a pound heroin or crank or pot or whatever.

personaly... I would just rather that the addicts use as much free drugs as they want.. if they want to kill themselves it is not my problem... I sure don't want to give up my freedom to protect em.  

And guess what.. if you really want to... you can still go to prison and get all "poor me" in there.. all ya gotta do is do the stupid crap loadies do and hurt someone.

I was an addict.   I got lucky and I got help.   I certainly don't need the government to tell me it was a bad thing.

lazs

Well lazs it's great to see how much you care for your fellow human beings.  I highly doubt that if drugs like coke meth and heroin were made legal you wouldn't see any increase in use, and guess what, you'd also see an increase in deaths from overdoses if it were made cheap, but I guess that wouldn't bother you because you've made it clear you have no compassion for your fellow human beings even if he is addicted to a drug.  You know I never wanted to become a heroin addict, I was in a bad car wreck 10 years ago that left me in a wheelchair and with horrible nerve pain, I was started out on vicodin but your body builds up a tolerance so eventually I was on oxycontin, but after awhile that was helping ethier, so one day a friend of mine who saw how much pain I was in suggested I try heroin for it, I was so tired of being in pain all the time that I tried it and it helped, over time I became addicted to it.  And whats wrong with the government helping people get off drugs, but I guess again you dont care about other people and think that if you get addicted to drugs that no one should care about you and that person might as well just die.  You know I feel sorry for someone like you, myself I cant just not care about my fellow human beings no matter what they've done or who they are.  I guess you know more about it then the people in charge of this country too, like all our drug and crime problems would be solved if we just made all drugs cheap and legal.

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by FBBone
To this I will say, the one time I ever had an intruder enter my home, he didn't have a gun.  He had a tire iron and about a 75 pound weight advantage on me.  I had a gun, he left and was captured half a block away.  I don't think his lack of a firearm would have prevented him from pummeling me that night either.  At his trial he was informed by the judge how "lucky he was to be able to face me (the judge) in a court of law rather than face his creator."  I'd rather have the right to own a firearm, thank you.  

yeah, you and lazs are both right, that it is important to be able to protect yourself.

i personally would have no probs with my neighbours having guns. i'm on both sides of the fence really. i personally would like to be able to own a firearm, but at the same time, i don't want to see a gun in the wrong person's hands, that means innocent lives...

i would be very happy to see the legalisation of all firearms here in the UK, provided that serious background checks were made first. i'm not anti-firearm, but i don't like the american system of being able to walk into any  gunshop and walk out 5 mins later with a deadly weapon, without any proper checks.

if there was a serious and effective, yet not invasive gun control policy here, i would LOVE to see guns made totally legal here. i always thought it was quite surreal though, when i went into a range in vegas, and i was given a loaded gun, with more ammo, over the counter just like that, simply by handing over 20 bucks and my passport as a deposit. suppose i was some total psycho? the guys were all packing, and i'd be dead pretty quickly, but i could have killed anyone i wanted if i was quick enough.

surely that's a bit crazy? it's important that people don't have their rights infringed, and it's important to be able to protect yourself, but surely the right of another innocent person to live is far more important?

like i said, i would be all for guns here, infact i personally would love it, but there would need to be a rigid screening process. do you think that is stupid? do you really think that it is more important to be able to buy a gun whenever the hell you feel like it lazs, than it is for someone else to live?


think how many innocent lives could be spared in america if you guys would calm down about your 2 amendment rights for 5 minutes, while the store clerk ran a background check on a government network, with all the history of violence, mental health etc.

you'd have to wait a few minutes longer to buy a gun, perhaps now 20 minutes instead of 10-15, but thousands of lives would be saved each year.

responsible people can still get their guns, but guns get into the wrong hands far less, and thankfully, you won't need to use your gun to kill quite so often. would you be against that? think of how many columbine/VT style shootings that system would prevent.



i'm not anti-gun, but i'm opposed to the american system. there needs to be more care taken.