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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2007, 11:38:25 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2007, 11:47:41 AM »
So I guess it would be really bad to be eating beef while driving a car. :D
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2007, 11:48:10 AM »
Sir Paul MCartney sais we should all be vegetarians for the cause, and actually he is a bit correct.
(I hate saying that as a beef farmer, but actually I belive he does have a point, - more vegetarians is better)

And from the beef that once farted, you also do ... :p
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2007, 12:00:58 PM »
MMmmm..Beef
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2007, 12:20:22 PM »
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Sir Paul MCartney sais we should all be vegetarians for the cause, and actually he is a bit correct.
(I hate saying that as a beef farmer, but actually I belive he does have a point, - more vegetarians is better)

And from the beef that once farted, you also do ... :p

That wouldn't be good for the environment ethier, you know how much land would need to be turned into farm land to grow enough vegetables to feed everyone on Earth.  We would have to cut down a large amount of the forests, and alot of animals would lose there habitats because they would be turned into farm land.  See the vegetarians don't mention this fact when they are trying to get everyone to be vegetarians.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2007, 01:17:12 PM »
Rather than bump one of the numerous old arguments about global warming climate change, I'm putting this here.

This article is a prime example (to me) of how confusing it all is.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/07/18/last.generation/index.html

Yes, he's got a new book and maybe it's all about sales.  But in that link, an average Joe (say, me) reads what I consider to be conflicting statements from the same person about climate change.  I don't know if it's the guy or if it's the way it is reported.

Yes I cherrypicked a few quotes, but these are the ones that have me confused.

On one hand, the guy appears to be saying that man is responsible for the current climate change, and we need to control it or the species may not survive.

Quote (any emphasis done by me): But it is his fear -- as the title of his new book, "The Last Generation: How Nature Will Take Her Revenge for Climate Change" (it is called "With Speed and Violence" in the U.S.), suggests -- that we still haven't fully realized the apocalyptic forces we have awoken and the reality of what is at stake if global warming continues untrammeled.
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And quote: Now he warns, human activity in the space of less than 200 years threatens to re-awaken extreme climate change of the sort never experienced in the era of recorded history.
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Yet in the same link, he says
Quote: "Past climate change has been more violent and extreme than we have been led to believe."

Quote: He highlights one such episode 11,000 years ago when temperatures in some parts of the Arctic warmed several degrees Celsius in the space of a decade: "Nature flicked the switch 10,000 years ago. We could be flipping the switch again."

And Quote: In the history of the planet, Pearce argues, the past 10,000 years since the end of the last ice age, in which humanity has established itself as the earth's dominant species, have been unusually benign in climatological terms. But that tranquility "looks like the exception rather than the rule."
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So, which is it?  Nature or Man?  Nature has been "unusually benign" (his words).  Maybe it's time for Nature again.  Nature did it in the past (his own words).  Who can prove Nature is not doing it now?  Why does it have to be Man doing it now?  And, if Nature is doing it now, as it has done in the past, who is arrogant enough to think that Man can stop it?

Confusing.  Sure, I can lower my carbon footprint on the off chance it might actually do something (grain of sand on the beach), but it's the  preachers that seem so convinced that Man is the culprit and are arrogant enough to think Man can control it that rub me the wrong way.

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Re: Re: Eating Beef more harmful to Earth than driving a car
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2007, 01:28:36 PM »
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What I dont get with you anti-environment types, is that you think this is a binary situation. You CAN do lots of small things, you dont HAVE to do everything at once.

Besides, legislation is the only way to go here, since there are so many lasz-type-guys out there. You wont laugh when we legislate against gasoline-type-cars.   :cool:


With all due respect, Hortlund, you're the one being binary with your "anti-environment" label.  You can dissagree with the dubious conclusion that man is causing global warming and still be very supportive of protecting the environment.  With you, it appears that someone either believes man-made GW or they're out to destroy the environment.  How binary is that? :huh

As far as legislation, see the second quote in my sig...
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2007, 01:30:37 PM »
I'll make sure to order a really big burger at the drive through today..  :aok

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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2007, 01:31:38 PM »
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I'll make sure to order a really big burger at the drive through today..  :aok


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Re: sorry for the tangent
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2007, 01:48:03 PM »
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 And, if Nature is doing it now, as it has done in the past, who is arrogant enough to think that Man can stop it?


Answer: Hortlund

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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2007, 01:53:15 PM »
It's what's for supper!:aok

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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2007, 01:56:42 PM »
OH NO!!



THIS thread will SPELL THE END of the BEAN BURRITO!




THE HUMANITY!



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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2007, 02:01:31 PM »
There is plenty of room for the beans, right next to the steak and tortilla on the plate. ;)
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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2007, 02:11:19 PM »
My Ribeye for lunch was very tasty.


Anyone who believes the planet is heating up due to man, should just go hang themselves. Its for the good of the planet after all.
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2007, 02:20:00 PM »
This is very good news...  the left wing "man made global warming" commies are finally getting the balls to tell us what they think we ought to do about it..

I have asked several times here but all I got was that we need to use more mercury based flouresent bulbs at home...

Now they say we have to stop eating beef...

Bet the debate gets a little more heated and the doom and gloomers have to come up with something better than the "proof" they have been pretending to have when they start shutting down meat eating... or try to..

It would be about as possible as hortlund taking my car away.

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