Proof P47 is handy capped

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Widewing
When testing the P-47N, I doubt that the USAAF filled the wing aux tanks as these were only used when extreme range was required. These tanks were usually burned off immediately after draining the drop tanks.

I tested the four different P-47s for climb using WEP. I took a screen shot at 5k for each and combined them into a single image. I selected 5k as this is directly comparable to the document posted.

I used 100% fuel for the D models and 75% for the P-47N.

Note that the P-47N is the best climber in WEP at the weights noted.
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My regards,

Widewing

CC that, the gas amount factor is the one thing I wasn't sure of, so I just did 100% on the N (which apparently is akin to adding a drop to the D40) but aside from that, why IS the N faster than the D40, I thought N had newer variant of engine, yet both have 2800 hp? As I can tell, D40 has to hit wep at 5ish to keep up with N, and more importantly, dweeb16 cant catch N, whereas it CAN catch D40 (I die under 5k a LOT:eek: )

[Widewing]

Originally posted by bj229r
CC that, the gas amount factor is the one thing I wasn't sure of, so I just did 100% on the N (which apparently is akin to adding a drop to the D40) but aside from that, why IS the N faster than the D40, I thought N had newer variant of engine, yet both have 2800 hp? As I can tell, D40 has to hit wep at 5ish to keep up with N, and more importantly, dweeb16 cant catch N, whereas it CAN catch D40 (I die under 5k a LOT:eek: )

I believe that the P-47D-40's R2800-59 is rated at 2,600 hp @ 2,800 rpm in WEP, whereas the P-47N has 2,800 hp @ 2,900 rpm on tap.

My regards,

Widewing

[dtango]

bj229r:

Hmm, I have the D-40's listed as using the R-2800-59 while the N's using the R-2800-57,-73,-77's.

The -59's have a different power output than the -57's,73's,& 77's.  For WEP it's 2600 hp (-59) vs. 2800 hp (-57,73,77).

2ndly you have to keep in mind that the power curves for each engine can also vary with altitude.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[dtango]

Ah, Widewing beat me to it .

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[bj229r]

Ahh...makes sense:aok

[Motherland]

Alright, how about you do what you should have done in the very beginning. Get some charts, load up a P47 with 25% fuel, 6 .50s, empty the .50's (your information states that it was 'clean', which I assume means completely unoaded) and do tests at multiple altitudes. Then there's absolutely no arguement, just fact.

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by ssDruid
And for scores, there is only one true score. Kill or be killed. And I have passed that test for real. How about you.

His point was that the reason you feel that the Brownings are undermodelled in Aces High II is because your accuracy is so low that you're not hitting with them.  You're a tank gunner; you're used to firing the heavy machine gun from a stable and fixed platform.  Aircraft are not nearly as stable as tanks; worse, commercial gaming joysticks like the ones we use are not nearly as precise as the real thing.  You are not experiencing the results you do in reality because you are trying to compare apples and oranges.

That said, I do feel that the fifty caliber's a bit off; it should cause a lot more fires than it does.  The overwhelming majority of my kills come from catastrophic structural failure.  The majority should be from fires, as countless wartime sources stated.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
That said, I do feel that the fifty caliber's a bit off; it should cause a lot more fires than it does.  The overwhelming majority of my kills come from catastrophic structural failure.  The majority should be from fires, as countless wartime sources stated.

I dont think thats as much the .50 as it is the damage model. Still, it doesnt matter how you bring down an aircraft, if you bring it down, all is well

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
His point was that the reason you feel that the Brownings are undermodelled in Aces High II is because your accuracy is so low that you're not hitting with them.  You're a tank gunner; you're used to firing the heavy machine gun from a stable and fixed platform.  Aircraft are not nearly as stable as tanks; worse, commercial gaming joysticks like the ones we use are not nearly as precise as the real thing.  You are not experiencing the results you do in reality because you are trying to compare apples and oranges.

That said, I do feel that the fifty caliber's a bit off; it should cause a lot more fires than it does.  The overwhelming majority of my kills come from catastrophic structural failure.  The majority should be from fires, as countless wartime sources stated.

not the 50s but the damage model that's the problem in this case.

AH doesn't have a great internal damage model, one thing i hope will be updated sometime soon. i'd like to see damage to control wires, better fuel tank damage things like that, hopefully one day

[bozon]

Originally posted by bj229r
...why IS the N faster than the D40, I thought N had newer variant of engine, yet both have 2800 hp? As I can tell, D40 has to hit wep at 5ish to keep up with N, and more importantly, dweeb16 cant catch N, whereas it CAN catch D40 (I die under 5k a LOT:eek: )

The N is a WEP plane. Without WEP it is the worst performing jug except for roll rate. Yes, it is the SLOWEST of them all. Without WEP it has 2000 HP just as all the D jugs, but is heavier. With WEP it is a P47 on steroids.

Also, N lethality is lower as I believe the guns are even farther out in the new wing, than they were in the eliptical.

I don't like the N. I do much better in the D models.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by bozon
The N is a WEP plane. Without WEP it is the worst performing jug except for roll rate. Yes, it is the SLOWEST of them all. Without WEP it has 2000 HP just as all the D jugs, but is heavier. With WEP it is a P47 on steroids.

Also, N lethality is lower as I believe the guns are even farther out in the new wing, than they were in the eliptical.

I don't like the N. I do much better in the D models.

Did an offline test, yup, you're right--with no wep, they go same speed, unless at climb, the N lags 20%. Never really noticed that...still like N better--save that wep like water in a desert:aok--I dont fly D40 TOO much, but the biggest difference I see is going nose up in a fight  to get catch some puke climbing out on the jug...---D40 falls outta sky WAY earlier  

[ozrocker]

Originally posted by ssDruid
Yes you are correct on the fact that the API would only cause certain items to catch on fire. Wait a minute, most planes in WW2 were made out of Depleted Uranium and it would take an Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot with Tracer (APFSDS-T) to knock out of the sky. The 50 cal is underrated in this game. It has a tracer burn out of 1800 meters. Okay lets see that is 1.8K on game visual range. Unless you have actually been behind the triggers of a real .50 cal then you can't possibly know what it's true capabilities are.

A real M1A1 Abrams Tank Master Gunner is what I am. If you do not know what that means look it up and learn.

DAT!

Oz

[stephen]

Hey , way to stay on-topic trashing this guy for miss-spells, Aces High, peopled by both english teachers and outcasts....

alot of planes have discrepancy's as far as performance goes, but that fact still remains that this game is above all others in terms of flight modeling, you give and get, my advice would be live with it.

[bomberhead22]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Yes.  

Uriel, I don't feel bad for you.   You've acted like a teenager in the aspect that WE "should somehow dispel your moronic claims of P-47 elitism where it is not granted".    You made the moronic claims and provided one old link that didn't handle your discussion, in the 2 days.  You brought it on yourself.  Problem is, you're the dense one but it hasn't hit you yet.

The TWO threads you've started over this prove your "denseness".

 im a teenager, and I don't troll, I think the P-47 does really well, maybe the planes not the thing that is handicapped here... ya'll have posted some perfectly valid evidence that he is in the wrong, so oh well, lol @ the road sign too:rofl

[bomberhead22]

Originally posted by stockli
Word to the wize:

Rush concert should never be used as a better option compared to anything.

That is all, please continue.

 Rush is awesome...