Proof P47 is handy capped

[ssDruid]

You are absolutely right. I have only been playing for a little while. I was to busy doing other things for over 20 years. For instance, fighting the GWOT and spending more time than I would like away from my family. But that is the price one pays for putting the needs of the something more valuable (country) than one's self.

I am still in the learning phase of this game, but as with all things that I do I strive to be the best at it.

Have a nice day. I am off to see RUSH in concert instead of sitting at the computer.

[Panzzer]

Originally posted by ssDruid
How about Jentz and Doyle's book on the Tigers and Panthers. Or you can go spend about 250 dollars and pick up the hard back editions of Tigers in Combat Vol.1 and Tigers in Combat Vol.2. Or I can sell you mine for about the same price because they are out of print. I will just pull it out of my library of other books that I have on military weapon systems. If you believe things found on the internet and Wikepedia then you are truly hurting for information. Manuals, reference books are the only way to go unless you have first hand experience on a specific weapon system.

Did you even visit Tony Williams' website? Or do you claim that you have better data on the fighter armament from Tigers in Combat than mr Williams does based on his years of research? I know where to throw my coins to in this bet. See you next week, off for a day or two... S!

[Widewing]

Originally posted by ssDruid
And for scores, there is only one true score. Kill or be killed. And I have passed that test for real. How about you.

That's a rather thin chord that you're hanging from there pal. There's probably hundreds of combat vets playing this game, as well as active duty personnel. Some are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan at this moment.

We have Gulf War I vets, Vietnam vets, Korean War Vets and several WWII vets. This doesn't count the large number of guys who served during peace-time. I'm a vet and was under fire several times. So what? That makes me a special person here??? Hardly.

If you really want to find yourself ostracized in this community, keep thumping your chest.

My regards,

Widewing

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by ssDruid
You are absolutely right. I have only been playing for a little while. I was to busy doing other things for over 20 years. For instance, fighting the GWOT and spending more time than I would like away from my family. But that is the price one pays for putting the needs of the something more valuable (country) than one's self.

I am still in the learning phase of this game, but as with all things that I do I strive to be the best at it.

Have a nice day. I am off to see RUSH in concert instead of sitting at the computer.

Again, "your military superiority" feeds your own ego.   When you want to LEARN something in this game, I'll show you the DA.   You'll come out better than when you came in.  

That is, if you are willing to learn.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Widewing
That's a rather thin chord that you're hanging from there pal. There's probably hundreds of combat vets playing this game, as well as active duty personnel. Some are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan at this moment.

We have Gulf War I vets, Vietnam vets, Korean War Vets and several WWII vets. This doesn't count the large number of guys who served during peace-time. I'm a vet and was under fire several times. So what? That makes me a special person here??? Hardly.

If you really want to find yourself ostracized in this community, keep thumping your chest.

My regards,

Widewing

Amen WW!

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by ssDruid
You are absolutely right. I have only been playing for a little while. I was to busy doing other things for over 20 years. For instance, fighting the GWOT and spending more time than I would like away from my family. But that is the price one pays for putting the needs of the something more valuable (country) than one's self.

I am still in the learning phase of this game, but as with all things that I do I strive to be the best at it.

Have a nice day. I am off to see RUSH in concert instead of sitting at the computer.

if you ever see me online, give me a shout and we can DA together, i'll try and teach you some stuff

[Yknurd]

I'm looking forward to the next "P-47 is fubared" thread he starts!!!!

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Yknurd
I'm looking forward to the next "P-47 is fubared" thread he starts!!!!

Shhhhhh.   You'll give him "overload".  

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Widewing
The Curtiss 714 is the standard narrow chord "toothpick" prop. The 836 is the Curtiss wide chord "paddle" type. The H&S 6507A-2 is also a wide chord prop.

You can read a NACA test of the H&S prop tested on a YP-47M here.

As to the climb of the P-47N, the report shows WEP being used. Without WEP, the N will fall behind the D model (in MIL power), because they have the same HP, but the N is heavier.

My regards,

Widewing

I would assume same, but the first chart you showed had the N significantly faster on the climb than the D40 (with W.E.P.)--our modeling in AH shows otherwise?

Hmm...ok did offline, fully gassed N on wep from sea level: 2712
                                 fully gassed D40 on wep from same:----------------------2991

no wep: N ----------------------------------------------1738
no wep D40: --------------------------------------------2267

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Yknurd
I'm looking forward to the next "P-47 is fubared" thread he starts!!!!

Hey if I can kill stuff with jugs, anyone can:lol

[stockli]

Word to the wize:

Rush concert should never be used as a better option compared to anything.

That is all, please continue.

[Karnak]

Uriel,

One thing you should be aware of is that there is lots of primary documentation that measures what an aircraft could do, not the limits listed in the pilot's manuals.

The NACA and A&AEE Boscombe Down people were interested in telling combat pilots engaged in the largest war in history what to expect, not in setting conservative peacetime saftey limits.

That isn't to say that there aren't huge unknowns out there, just that your claim about such tests being useless is false.




Others, tossing insults isn't helpful.  Please lay off it.

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Uriel
everyone kept asking for the charts here they are boys.
this place has real WW2 training video's and combat charts
read it and weep suckers
the P47 is handi-capped in the game

well, it seems to me that htc does what they can for modeling these aircraft. i've been of the belief that the 38 is too.......BUT....and here's the key.........i DON'T give a rats arse..........i simply try to learn her strengths in the game and fly her to those strengths. i NEVER take a 38 to a furball as i personally can't survive in her there yet......but although i've been advied against it, i do find her to be a good bomber hunter.  for quick upping base defense, usually some version of spit or zeke........but you see my point here? what they did/do in real life, doesn't really matter to us, as we don't get to fly em in real life:cry  what matters to us is in the game. learn the 47's strengths IN GAME. learn her weaknesses too. then you'll be able to make her perform the way YOU want to, and you'll probably kill a lot more in her.
 i apologize if it sounds as if i'm lecturing ya, because that's not my intention........just tryin to give ya another point of view.

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john(1ltcap)

[Widewing]

Originally posted by bj229r
I would assume same, but the first chart you showed had the N significantly faster on the climb than the D40 (with W.E.P.)--our modeling in AH shows otherwise?

Hmm...ok did offline, fully gassed N on wep from sea level: 2712
                                 fully gassed D40 on wep from same:----------------------2991

no wep: N ----------------------------------------------1738
no wep D40: --------------------------------------------2267

When testing the P-47N, I doubt that the USAAF filled the wing aux tanks as these were only used when extreme range was required. These tanks were usually burned off immediately after draining the drop tanks.

I tested the four different P-47s for climb using WEP. I took a screen shot at 5k for each and combined them into a single image. I selected 5k as this is directly comparable to the document posted.

I used 100% fuel for the D models and 75% for the P-47N.

Note that the P-47N is the best climber in WEP at the weights noted.



My regards,

Widewing

[CAP1]

Originally posted by LePaul
I dont know where to start with your post.

You didn't spell "handicaped" right

HiTech has personally answered your challenges in your previous thread.

Widewing and others have tried to show you that being the biggest motor in the game doesn't mean you'll win everytime.  

The points you keep missing...

1)  Average fights in AH are well under 10k.  The ideal alt for the P-47 is way up high.

2)  The P-47 may have a big motor, it also weighs a lot!  You continue to miss the fact that the German planes are vastly lighter and ideal down low.

3)  Your sources, such as the History Channel cited before, is not the one-stop know it all of P-47 info.

You seem skewed and determined to make the P-47 the "F-16" of WW2.  It wasn't.  It has its strengths and weaknesses, like any aircraft.  

You seem to be stuck at one point in its performance rather than analyzing the complete package.

perhaps i can simplify the above atatement a bit?

imagine a mustang cobra vs a corvette. they're pretty close in performance on the skidpad, but the vette will still beat the cobra. put a proffesional driver in the vette vs u in the stang. we all know the vette gonna win. now swap cars. i'd be willing to bet that now the pro driver'sgonna hammer you in the vette. point being.....if performance is even close, then the petter pilot/driver is gonna win.


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