2 GV exploits

[GlassJaw]

Again, more exploits than bugs.  In your video options if you crank the top slider all the way down you don't see any of the trees, shrubs, hills, hedge rows, etc unless they are very close to you.  This allows people to be spotted, shot at and killed from long range even though there is no direct line of sight.  

Also, if you turn your skins off, and someone is driving a tiger or a panzer they really stand out because the default skin for these tanks is the desert tan camo.  None of our maps have a desert terrain so this one is a really easy fix by just changing the default panzer / tiger skins to green.

I hope these can be fixed

[BennyBeaver]

wtg saying how you do it

[The Fugitive]

The slider setting are one of those "lesser of two evils" kind of things.  Evil number one is yes it makes it easier for you to spot other tanks that THINK they are hidden, but evil number two is the slider is used so people with non gaming rigs who want to "pay" to play get the chance. Can ya guess WHY HTC choose the evil he did?  

The skin problem is a player choice. Much like those guys who run strait as an arrow across an open field in their GVs and wonder way they die so often. Not something HTC has to control.

[Oleg]

You shouldnt see any GVs behind your "Object Details" settings. "That" will be lesser of two (or three?) evils.

I tried to turn details to minimun, hell, its as close to cheat as it ever possible.

Again, you shouldnt see any GVs behind your "Object Details" settings. If your computer too old for full range, other players should not be penalized because of it. Covers plays important role in GV's war, nobody should be able to remove it for his advantage.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
The skin problem is a player choice. Much like those guys who run strait as an arrow across an open field in their GVs and wonder way they die so often. Not something HTC has to control. [/B]

If you turn off "show selected skins" or whatever in options, even if the player chooses the well camouflauged green skin for a Tiger/Panzer, it shows up as the tan skin on your machine. That is what he is trying to say.

[BaldEagl]

It's not an exploit if everyone has the option of doing it.  If you choose not to then it's your own fault (and yes, I have an older machine and would have to quit GVing without these options).

[Bronk]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
It's not an exploit if everyone has the option of doing it.  If you choose not to then it's your own fault (and yes, I have an older machine and would have to quit GVing without these options).

You wouldn't be able to see a hidden gv anyway.  GVs should be tied to lvl of detail also.

Bronk

[Oleg]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
(and yes, I have an older machine and would have to quit GVing without these options).

Standart answer for request to remove exploit. I wasnt surprised. Btw, i have exactly same FPS for both far left and far right "Object Details" scrollbar positions, and my computer very far from hi-end.

Originally posted by BaldEagl
It's not an exploit if everyone has the option of doing it.  If you choose not to then it's your own fault

Amed to ppl who never tried it yet. Better to see once...

Do you see GVs here?
http://okondr.mail333.com/ahss1.JPG

And now?
http://okondr.mail333.com/ahss0.JPG

Not exploit? Huh.

[Krusty]

From what I understand, it culls the objects at a closer range. That doesn't mean the objects are GONE. Your round still stops at the tree rather than at the target. It also makes targets disappear at closer ranges. The shot you posted was pretty close range. If you go out further you won't even see GVs that are there. You might get popped by a camper you cannot see because he's outside your vis range.

So it's not some uber exploit. It has its drawbacks. Not the least of which is you're giving your position away by firing at a GV, only to have it hit some invisible tree or something.


Skins is not an exploit. If a GV is far away you see it as a dot. Dots are visible regardless of the skin. Once it's in range close enough to see the color of the skin, I promise you the color of that skin isn't going to determine the outcome of it. If the enemy is moving you can see them. If they're camping (90% of all situations) it doesn't matter what skin he has, he's behind your spawn most of the time. He's camping, not easily visible, firing through shrubs or behind a tree or whatever. The skin color isn't going to be a blinking "SHOOT ME" sign.

Skins are an option. Not a requirement. Some folks have just as much right to disable skins, as I have to make myself MORE visible by flying the most gaudy skins I choose. Herringbone C205? Check! Bulgarian 109E? Check! These make it easier for the enemy to spot me and kill me, but it's not an exploit, it's just a choice.

Disabling skins is no more an exploit than taking a panzer instead of an T34. It's a feature, not an exploit.

[Oleg]

lol Krusty. Dont say me you talk about green panzer in 300 yards

[GlassJaw]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
It's not an exploit if everyone has the option of doing it.  

I don't agree, it simply becomes an exploit that everyone is doing.  Btw,  not everyone is doing it and if some are then it hurts the game.  The first few days of the game with the new graphics were unreal until people caught on to this cheat.

[GlassJaw]

Originally posted by Krusty

Disabling skins is no more an exploit than taking a panzer instead of an T34. It's a feature, not an exploit. [/QUOTE

If a player chooses to camoflage a tank to blend into his enviornment and the enemy player has the option of turning off that camoflage to make said tank stand out against the background how is that not an exploit?

[Scca]

Originally posted by GlassJaw
Again, more exploits than bugs.  In your video options if you crank the top slider all the way down you don't see any of the trees, shrubs, hills, hedge rows, etc unless they are very close to you.  This allows people to be spotted, shot at and killed from long range even though there is no direct line of sight.  

Also, if you turn your skins off, and someone is driving a tiger or a panzer they really stand out because the default skin for these tanks is the desert tan camo.  None of our maps have a desert terrain so this one is a really easy fix by just changing the default panzer / tiger skins to green.

I hope these can be fixed

Thanks for the tips..

[AKDogg]

Originally posted by Krusty
From what I understand, it culls the objects at a closer range. That doesn't mean the objects are GONE. Your round still stops at the tree rather than at the target. It also makes targets disappear at closer ranges. The shot you posted was pretty close range. If you go out further you won't even see GVs that are there. You might get popped by a camper you cannot see because he's outside your vis range.

So it's not some uber exploit. It has its drawbacks. Not the least of which is you're giving your position away by firing at a GV, only to have it hit some invisible tree or something.  

Not true Krusty.  I did a test 1 time shooting at someone who was behind a tree in a panzer.  When I had my detail sliders turn full, my shell would hit the tree, not the panzer.  When I turned my details sliders full low, I could hit him in 1 shot and kill him.  Only object I found that is not effected by the detail slider is the little mounds that GVs hide behind.  The Rounds won't go through the little mounds but will got through a invisible tree or hegrow.

[Krusty]

Well then I think the bug is that the objects are removed. They should not display, but they should EXIST.


Good to know.