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Offline sax

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« on: August 16, 2007, 11:53:01 PM »
Need an arena with password only access for 5 year plus vets .

Hitech would probably bring his membership up 300 + members
returnees .

Has to be at least that many gone or going to leave due to
current game play or player issues .

Would also be incentive to continue to pay .

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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007, 11:58:56 PM »
Greetings,

  How many out there remember the golden age of wargaming?  SPI, Avalon Hill, GHQ, etc.....?

  What kilt the industry?  Lack of new members - specifically teenagers.  If we push them out, there will be fewer and fewer players (it's a matter of age) and then there will be no AH.

  Squeekers may be a pain, may take a while to instruct, may not play the way we like, but they are the future and will keep this game on the net in the next 10 years.  And, I kinda want to play for the next 10 years.....

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 07:50:16 AM »
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Greetings,

  How many out there remember the golden age of wargaming?  SPI, Avalon Hill, GHQ, etc.....?

  What kilt the industry?  Lack of new members - specifically teenagers.  If we push them out, there will be fewer and fewer players (it's a matter of age) and then there will be no AH.

  Squeekers may be a pain, may take a while to instruct, may not play the way we like, but they are the future and will keep this game on the net in the next 10 years.  And, I kinda want to play for the next 10 years.....

Regards,


 The board wargames were killed off by PC's and the internet. They did not die off because those of us who played them didn't invite preteens into our house to run amuck, wreck things, make ungodly noises just to get attention, and game the game.

I'm with ya Sax.:aok

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 07:57:00 AM »
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They did not die off because those of us who played them didn't invite preteens into our house to run amuck, wreck things, make ungodly noises just to get attention, and game the game.  



DISCLAIMER: While my kids were in their preteens I have no knowledge of them ever being at Shifty`s residence. I accept no responsibility for any damages, stress or general confusion.


Vote YES for the mandatory 12 month school year.


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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 07:59:36 AM »
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DISCLAIMER: While my kids were in their preteens I have no knowledge of them ever being at Shifty`s residence. I accept no responsibility for any damages, stress or general confusion.


Vote YES for the mandatory 12 month school year.


:rofl


:rofl :rofl :rofl  I wouldn't have noticed them over the havoc my five kids were causing. ;)

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 08:20:56 AM »
The only game Ive flown that long is Falcon 4 now in its F4AF dressing. After the years Ive put in there I play almost without thinking. I react to events like missiles and AI pilots in patterns that I have memorized and know the outcome beforehand. I would get as much satisfaction from a VFR flight in FSX.

Thats why I fly in the IDFL and on Aces High. Whether they are gaming the game or a Aces High vet they are human and can pull unpredictable moves. Much more fun. :aok

I think a vets only arena would lack interest after the newness wore off.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 08:27:35 AM »
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Need an arena with password only access for 5 year plus vets .
 


Other than a lack of squeaky range vox voices, what would that accomplish?

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007, 08:31:02 AM »
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Originally posted by Chalenge

I think a vets only arena would lack interest after the newness wore off.


The amount of old players looking for alternative games or
just plain quitting says otherwise .

Believe it or not the old days when everyone knew everyone were
better .

Hitech did the right thing for his buisiness , this would be a good
buisiness move that wouldn,t require any cash out-put .

There are already two arena,s that get little to no use , give us
one of those .

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007, 08:41:50 AM »
Greetings,

  The board wargames were killed off by PC's and the internet.

  While the PC did have an impact on the gaming industry, it was dead long before the internet had an impact.  What kilt it was the lack of beginner games and lack of marketing to the next generation of ppl who could be interested.

They did not die off because those of us who played them didn't invite preteens into our house to run amuck, wreck things, make ungodly noises

  Actually, I don't think this is 'your' house.  Seems that it is someone else's who has to make a buck in order to keep it out here. . . . .

  and game the game.

  I seem to remember meeting more than my fair share of 'Rules Lawyers' many years ago.  If that ain't 'gaming the game' (remembering those arcane passages only when it benefits you), I don't know what is.

  Point is, you remember the gold and forget the grief.  We were all young once and if you want a long term life for this product we do need new recruits.

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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007, 09:06:24 AM »
And while new recruits may be frustrating for long time players, truth is that computer games have notoriously short legs. AH is amazing for the way it holds its victims interest for years and years....but even the addict will find that Aces Crack wears out eventually.

I've observed that the guys who keep playing forever -- who've been here from almost the beginning -- tend to be guys who find extra things, relationships or game services (like skinning, TA, SEA, AvA), that keep bringing new challenges and interests.

Without that, even a game as rich and deep as AH is eventually going to feel stale. And in reality that may be many folks' issue, not the gameplay of the arenas.




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Here's another explanation for the decline of boxed games: the generation after mine had a fundamentally different way of interacting with the world, generally choosing media input over text.

In other words, the majority out there has a very short attention span, and wants constant stimulation and variation.

I suspect that has more to do with box games' decline than anything. Even "fast play" games take enormously longer than a computer game, and the "stimulation" you get from a hex game is rooted in imagination and tactical thought.  Contrast that with what passes for "strategy" in computer gaming -- RTS's with their emphasis on high speed development followed by a "rush" attack; RPG's with endless advancement treadmills.

Decreased development of attention and imagination skills also explains why other activities of our youth -- like plastic modelling, reading, etc. -- have faded proportionately. And why movies have steadily increased the pace of their storytelling...and much else.

Just a thought.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2007, 09:38:47 AM »
Heya Sax... long time no see! ;)

Did u get any of the BBQ?

Anyway... look me up. I'm still having fun although I did have to change the planes I flew.  If you get into something with a real good rate of climb you can still have fun showing people that altitude is not necessarily a substitute for skill.  :)
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 09:44:31 AM »
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  Actually, I don't think this is 'your' house.  Seems that it is someone else's who has to make a buck in order to keep it out here. . . . .
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I never meant to imply that AH was my house. I think you know that though. :rolleyes:

As far as needing board games to attract the next generation.... How is it they're not attracted to the games in the first place?

Did you need a new generation of AH games to attract you? They died because better things came along on PC. It's not like board wargames were an easy sell, it was always difficult to find people who were willing to spend the time and effort to learn the rules, and play the game.

Changing one of the lesser used arenas to one for people who have had an account for years, should not be seen as a threat to the sim. It makes as much sense as having the three empty EW MW and AVA, why not change one to an OFA, Old Farts Arena, or Creaker Arena.

Rules lawyer, another one of your implications. Just because I don't partake of bombing and bailing, or squeeling nonsense on range vox because I find it amusing to annoy others hardly makes me a rules lawyer.

I have nothing against children or youth. However I don't make an effort to seek out their company for my leisure time. If you do, that's your trip.

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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 10:47:22 AM »
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Originally posted by sax
The amount of old players looking for alternative games or
just plain quitting says otherwise .

Believe it or not the old days when everyone knew everyone were
better .

Hitech did the right thing for his buisiness , this would be a good
buisiness move that wouldn,t require any cash out-put .

There are already two arena,s that get little to no use , give us
one of those .

Hey, there are THREE!  And you'll find more vets in the AvA.

On a more serious note:  I don't see this as an age issue.  We've got people like Platano and Truekill who are quite young and far more talented than most of the rest of us.  We have geezers (no names for this category) who probably are still wondering what you have to do to access the cheat codes.  It's an interest issue.  People who are really interested in WWII air combat will stick with the game and become vets and play the game right.  Those who drifted here for other reasons will drift away soon enough.  We just have to survive them.  Same thing happened with the board games, and then computers sucked away most of the rest of us because they made it so easy (no more counting up the attack factors in four different stacks while trying not to knock over the defender's stack).

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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007, 11:05:54 AM »
^ Yep.

The long term players are the exception more than the rule, and nothing will guarantee that they'll stick around indefinitely. If HT caters to one group over another, he'll eventually cost himself more customers than he'll gain, and this is bad for all involved.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007, 11:07:07 AM »
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Originally posted by sax
Need an arena with password only access for 5 year plus vets .

Hitech would probably bring his membership up 300 + members
returnees .

Has to be at least that many gone or going to leave due to
current game play or player issues .

Would also be incentive to continue to pay .


After playing AH for just shy of a year now...something like this would definately push me out of the door. It smacks of the "I'm better than you" syndrome, just beacause of being here for five years...what would make someone here 5 years more vested in the game than someone with only one year?????

Another point....remember....we ALL started as newbs, nuggets and rookies. So have some patience. If it becomes unbearable......turn the game Off.