AH religious Scholars

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Bolo6
I never said that I was or indicated anything to that point.

Could have fooled me, you have made lots of claims or innuendo about what goes on at Guantanamo.

Anyway, your position seems to have degenerated into some sort of...I dont know what exactly. You are all over the place with miranda rights, torture being "un-american" and on top of that you seem completely unable to understand that just because you think having a female sitting on your lap constitutes torture, not everyone agrees with that definition.

Further discussion seems pointless, but if you think you can present a coherent argument, Im all ears.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Bolo6
So that means you weren't there yet you profess to know what is going on there. How can you? You are talking put of your but.

Originally posted by Hortlund
This is so dumb I dont even know where to begin.

Have you been at Guantanamo interrogating prisoners?

Originally posted by Bolo6
I never said that I was or indicated anything to that point.

So does this mean that you are talking out of your butt as well when you make assumptions that more than what was stated happened at Gitmo actually happened?

[Tango]

Originally posted by Donzo
So does this mean that you are talking out of your butt as well when you make assumptions that more than what was stated happened at Gitmo actually happened?

No, we're infidels and he is doing what the Koran commands him to do.

[Bolo6]

Originally posted by Tango
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18733

The Koran, by contrast, teaches that it’s OK to lie to infidels if it furthers the cause of Islam, that nation states have no legitimacy, that the only legitimate nation is the nation of Islam, which has no territorial boundaries; and those who do not submit to the will of Allah should be condemned to a life of dhimmitude (second class citizenry).

I cant take this seriously. You are citing a source that is anything but objective and scholarly. I asked you to tell me the sura that tells muslims to lie to infidels but you can't because you have not read the Qu'ran. you are taking the word of a woman who has a political agenda. Do the research your self. Don't just take some elses word for it. There is an ancient Egyptian proverb that says 'those who don't know, but beleive that they know are dangerous. Avoid them'. I have alot of avoiding to do.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Bolo6
I 'those who don't know, but beleive that they know are dangerous. Avoid them'.  

you have condemned yourself, guards, take him away.

[Traveler]

Bolo6, you may not understand or want to know the truth, but your statement that “He surrounded himself with disloyal hooligans.”  Disloyal because they didn’t lie for Vic?

The FBI did not find it necessary to investigate Vic. But rather an on going FBI investigation into the trafficking of Dog across State lines for the purpose of Dog Fights and gambling  was already underway,  Vic and his hooligans  just happened to stumble into the area of investigation.

Vic is a bad guy, his only regret is that he got caught.  Dog Fighting is illegal gaming as such the NFL has no choice but to ban him for life.

As for Muslims and the latest religious war.  All Muslims can all drop dead for all I care. And let me be clear, that's every man, women and child.   I don’t trust any of them.  I have not found a way to know which Muslim is not a terrorist.  That may seem harsh, but I was in the World Trade Center on 9/11.  

The last attempted bombing in Great Britain was a group of Muslim Doctors, men that took an oath to save lives.  Men that were treating patients in a hospital one minute and planting bombs across London to kill and injure the next.  The planes on 9/11 were flown by Muslim radicals , but Doctors are well educated, rational, thinking men.  That spoke volumes to me, and it should to you.  Muslims want me, my wife, my family, you and your family dead, they want every American dead.  They want every man, women and child that is not Muslim dead.  What part of that don't you understand?

[WMLute]

A chick sitting in my lap is torture?  

And here I've been paying $20.00 for it all these years.

Bolo, as been already stated, you really need to define "torture".

I once was arrested in St. Louis and taken to the City Lockup.  I spent the night in City Jail where the temp. dropped to @ 50 degrees and I only had a T-shirt-shirt on.  Spent the night shivering and freezing' my tookus off.  I also was not fed for @ 24 hours.  AND to top it off they put me in a cell w/ a guy extradited from Calif. on murder charges.  (ended up being a nice guy.  we played checkers w/ the trash found in the cell)

According to your definition of the word,  I was tortured by the St. Louis City Police Department.

What a load of malarkey.  That night DID indeed suck, but "torture"?

You need a better understanding of the term "torture".  

I had worse things happen to me during hazing for a fraternity in college than what happened to the detainees at Gitmo.  (MUUUUCH WORSE)

I find the whole thing quite pathetic.  The people screaming about how we tortured people @ gitmo are morons.  The Muslims especially I feel are hypocrites.

Compare the "torture" @ Gitmo to the torture of an American soldier captured by terrorist.  Which would you would rather have happen to you.  
1. Sitting in a room naked w/ a lady on your lap
2. Getting your head slowly sawed off with a knife after being violently beaten for a couple of days.

What you SHOULD be doing is posting on a Muslim forum and berating them for their actions.  At least that would have some validity.  

Personally, I am a "fight fire with fire" person, and I feel we coddle the enemy in the "war on terror" far, FAR too much.  They are like animals, and should be treated as such.  (cowardly dogs too I might add)

The Muslims are like a moron that runs up and shoves you over and over, and you are expected to take it because you are larger and stronger.  When you finally get sick of it and smack 'em in the mouth, they go running off screaming and crying and acting like the victim.

The Muslims have two sets of rules/standards.  
One for them, and one for us.

I hope they do not pull off another WTC 9/11 type of attack in the U.S. for their own sakes.  You thought the U.S. was pissed off after 9/11?  (shudder)  I almost (ALMOST) feel sorry for the Muslims people as a whole if another terrorist act of large scale happens on U.S. soil.

[Tango]

Originally posted by Bolo6
I cant take this seriously. You are citing a source that is anything but objective and scholarly. I asked you to tell me the sura that tells muslims to lie to infidels but you can't because you have not read the Qu'ran. you are taking the word of a woman who has a political agenda. Do the research your self. Don't just take some elses word for it. There is an ancient Egyptian proverb that says 'those who don't know, but beleive that they know are dangerous. Avoid them'. I have alot of avoiding to do.

I take her word far better than I would a Muslim's. Afterall we [the infidels] never know when we're hearing the truth from a Muslim.

I guess you dispute that the Koran wants you to kill infidels as well?

[Curval]

Why do people here refer to Musilms as "Musilms"?

Just call them heathens.  

They call us infidels...it's only fair.

[Airscrew]

Because no one wants to upset the heath... Muslims....they might start burning stuff...

[Dichotomy]

Just a couple of excerpts from the Koran and Islamic teachings.
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship will become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers. Sura 5:51

A different translation says

[5:51] O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.


Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. Sura 9:73

Again a different translation

[9:73] O you prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern in dealing with them. Their destiny is Hell; what a miserable abode!

Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His apostle have forbidden and do not embrace the true faith until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. Sura 9:29

Alternate translation

[9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.

Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Sura 48:29

Aldernate translation

[48:29] Muhammad - the messenger of GOD - and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek GOD's blessings and approval. Their marks are on their faces, because of prostrating. This is the same example as in the Torah. Their example in the Gospel is like plants that grow taller and stronger, and please the farmers. He thus enrages the disbelievers. GOD promises those among them who believe, and lead a righteous life, forgiveness and a great recompense.

The Hadith(Muslim oral tradition) states:]
"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Muslims make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"

Sources
http://submission.org/
http://www.craom.net/comparedtothebible.htm
http://www.pmw.org.il/specrep-37.html

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Traveler
snips....

  That may seem harsh, but I was in the World Trade Center on 9/11.  

 That spoke volumes to me, and it should to you.  

WOW Traveler....didn't know that first part.

In regards to the 2nd part here , after reading all that this Bolo character has written here and other places , I get the feeling he may be a bit biased and on the side of  , lets say , the not so trust worthy people.

[Maverick]

Sounds like another poster here who gets his direction from wife ack from the region in question.

[Bolo6]

I love most of the replys. Most. Dichotomy, I will check your post for accuracy this evening and reply tomorrow. However I will not that none of your sources are the Qu'ran itself, only internet sites that appear to be biased.(i.e croam.net/comparedtothebible.htm)
 And WMLute while I respect your opinion, I will venture to say that the time you spent in lockup is far different than what a victim of rendition might have experienced. Or jose Padilla for that matter. Remember him? An American citizen locked up without charges for over three years, denied access to counsel and other constitutional violations. No where in any of my posts have I said anything remotely anti american but I am labeled that suggestively in several of the replies. Because I disagree with what is going on, I am all of these things. The fact that I am the only one in opposition on these boards indicates to me that I may be on the right track. To be clear, I do not condone or defend the actions of Islamic extremist. Nor however do I condone the actions of our country, our leaders using our values to push a private agenda. Have we all forgotten that there were no WMD? That Bin Laden and Saddam had no connection, that they even disliked each other. That while we have spun our wheels and wasted resources in Iraq, Al quaeda has regained strength in the tribal regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan? Not to mention the fact that our leader Mr. Bush told us over three years ago that "Mission Accomplished"
No one in any of these replies has even questioned the fact that our foreign policy has alot to do with the way people feel towards us. The answer to the problems we face is not the annihilation of all muslims and all muslims don't want to kill us.
As for travelers comment
"All Muslims can all drop dead for all I care. And let me be clear, that's every man, women and child."
Do any of you justify this? Isn't this exactly what they{the extremists} think about us? This post is definitely in the wrong place. I think some of you play AHII on your off time from the KKK or Aryan Nation. That is what it sounds like from some of the replies. I seek not to change opinons only to challenge minds to seek for themselves what they so readily take from others.

PS Vicks buddies are disloyal hooligans because they snitched. They can take pleas if they want but to testify against a person who you asked to front money for you is gross and dishonorable. They were supposed to take their punishment without giving him up. But I guess that only happens in the movies.

[Donzo]

Wow.

I have to give it to you Bolo, how someone can go from Vick to the whole Islamic extremist, torture, Iraq war thing is beyond me and is amazing!  But you managed to wrap it all up by coming back around to Vick:

Originally posted by Bolo6
PS Vicks buddies are disloyal hooligans because they snitched. They can take pleas if they want but to testify against a person who you asked to front money for you is gross and dishonorable. They were supposed to take their punishment without giving him up. But I guess that only happens in the movies.

Vick was asked to front money for these guys?  Says who?  Them?

Do you honestly believe that fronting money was Vick's only involvement with this?  I mean, really, do you?