Originally posted by Angus
Are you saying that there is NO line for what is banned?
The words Ban/Banned are a farce in themselves. There is no such workable reality. Promotion of a cause, relieving the law abiding of any recourse and handing the odds over to the very groups you are trying to guard against would be my definition.
Would you like KKK to have lectures in the public?
Don`t know how it is in your country Angus, but here the KKK can and do give public lectures. In most cities a permit is required for the public gathering.
I saw the reverse side to this in our county seat a few years back. A church with a black congregation was burned. Then another in a small period of time. The local press was all over this when black groups began saying that this was race related and the churches were burned by whites in an attempt to scare and run out the black community. It snowballed.
The whole county was on the verge of a race war. Very explosive.
The KKK applied for and received a permit for a public gathering and speech. The head speaker for the KKK was on the top step of the court house giving his speech and expressing his belief that these incidents were not done by whites, but instead was an attempt by militant black organizations , of other regions to gain access, support and backing by the local community. He had some very persuading evidence.
The streets surrounding the courthouse were blocked of to allow those that wished to attend a place to view and listen. It was very orderly. No trouble,etc.
At the same time as this was taking place, on the other end of town, Black Panthers and other known militant groups had arrived , in force, heavily armed, openly brandishing, threatening to burn the entire town down. No permit. No regard for the community. An attempt to cause big trouble and glean more press attention.
Law enforcement from all surrounding areas had to be called in to keep a race war from breaking out.
In the end it was found that a black youth with some mental problems had done the arsons.
It`s a two edged sword bud.
Try driving a car in redneck country with "Hillary for President" painted on the side!
LOL I don`t know where you would be able to locate an area more "redneck" than my area. Hillary promotions are in place.........along with a long list of others.
And other are drawn by the law. Be it seatbelts, violence, fraud, and then to the tricky line of manipulation.
Here, the
law is supposed to be decided by the people themselves.
You speak of law as if it is supposed to be some magical, all knowing, all seeing entity.
Jackal, even you draw the line somewhere.
I draw
my line by my beliefs. I excercise my line by freedom of speech and the ability to do so.
Do you want Gay promotion or education in school for your children?
Do I want? It is being done on an everyday basis. It is being fought against with the same tool that allows it to be done..........freedom of speech and the right to voice an opposing opinion. Without it there is no balance, no solution.
Do you want Marching Nazis with an open press endlessly preaching the "Jewish world conspiracy" or "Negros are inferior" spiced with "The Holocaust never happened, it was all allied propoganda"
I would much rather them be in the public eye, as they are allowed to do now, making public fools of themselves, defeating themselves and allowing the public to see what they really are and are about than some of the dangerous groups that are smart enough to stay in the shadows and accomplish their goals of inflicting death and terror on a gullible and naive public.
The marching Nazis defeat themselves in the public eye. They are a non issue to a thinking , free society, governed by the people. Freedom of speech allows them to be spoken out against and to educate others as to their cause. There will always be hate and violence between different groups of people, whether it be internaly, race related or country against country. If people are capable to defend against their enemies and threats as a group or country they can do so IF they do not have their freedom and tools to do so taken away or naive enough to relinquish their power to do so to a totalitarian , all powerful, governing body. Trust in yourself and your countrymen to make choices for themselves and their country without heavy handed government is the key. If you believe that you and your countrymen cannot be trusted, you are dooming yourself and others to being under the power of something you have no input, no control over.
Swastika tatto on yer grandkids?
I have absolutely no fear or worries of my grandkids having a swastika tattoo. They have parents and grandparents who have taken the time to educate them. I trust in their parents and us as grandparents to have done our job in this field. They also have great respect and appreciation for my late Dad, their Grandad and his efforts and sacrifices in the fight against Nazi rule.
We have taken the time to teach them. Ourselves.
Some of my grandkids will most certainly have tattoos. No doubt. They think their Popaw is cool.
It was the freedom of speech, manipulated in a most cunning way together with complete crime that built the springboard for Nazi-controlled Germany.
It was the slow, well thought out , long term plan to take away freedom of speech, a voice, an input from the people and the power to defend against it that was the spring board for Nazi controlled Germany.
When you have your freedom , voice and power as a people taken away from you or you are bedazzled enough to relinquish the peoples rights freely under the notion that your best interests will be fairly dealt with, you are helpless.
Maybe the USA is today a better built, educated and informed country than pre-war Germany, so this is no risk, but with a high percentage of the adult population that won't know where to find the USA on a map, I tend to think not.
Well......speaking from a USA perspective, if there is a high percentage of an adult population that don`t know where to find the USA on a map, then we have no fear or worries from them.
That's not all, for neo-nazism spreads from places where it thrives.
It is not allowed and does not thrive in locations where people have a voice and the freedom to use it. It could only thrive where the people have no rights or means to speak out against and defend against it.
Most of the propoganda I used to get through my mailbox was straight translations from U.S. magazines.
That doesn`t seem to be a problem here. Only the clowns themselves read the things.
Maybe a good Icelandic ban on U.S. imported books would be the answer .
A good book burning and witch hunt would be other alternatives. I`m sure the people of Iceland will be swayed and go the way of the Nazi due to some idiotic reading material.
Do you not have enough faith in yourself and your countrymen to make stable and educated decisions?
You truly amaze me at how much you seem to care about the world and it`s people, then on the reverse wish to give authority to anyone other than the people themselves.
Today I am meeting screwed-up foreign-haters, - neo Nazi dabblers that have been fed with this stuff and don't know squat about history.
Welcome to the world Angus. Enjoy your stay. You seem to be quite capable and informed enough to ward off their hypnotic powers of suggestion.
You do not need a ban or the outlawing of these groups. You don`t need to give up your freedom to accomplish their goals. You have clearly made up your mind on the subject against what they stand for. Let them keep their freedom of speech. They make public fools of themselves. Keep yours also. Use it to educate others.
