English for beginners...

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Abrreviating a word for online use is fine by me.

I find other words be to offensive and I will not use them.

The word Jap spoken in a friendly way is NOT offensive.  If you use it in a derogatory way, then well, it's offensive.  That word is an abbreviation.

 

From that logic, I can go around to every black man I see and call him a n*gger, because after all, I really don't mean it in any derogatory way.  I now understand your point my little gringo, cracker friend.


ack-ack

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I now understand your point my little gringo, cracker friend.

See but that just makes me laugh

[Mr No Name]

I get my feelings hurt when people call me a Luft-Weenie

[DamnedRen]

Why didn't you just type the quoted dictionary text and instead your one sided history lesson?

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
Why didn't you just type the quoted dictionary text and instead your one sided history lesson?

Why don't you take time and read whole thread and see how conversation went?

[Kermit de frog]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
From that logic, I can go around to every black man I see and call him a n*gger, because after all, I really don't mean it in any derogatory way.  I now understand your point my little gringo, cracker friend.


ack-ack

Exactly.

Drop the 'er and put an 'a after that N word.  It's shortened and used commonly in a non deragatory way.

AKAK, the next two words do not follow my point on shortening up words:

Gringo can be used in a friendly way and a non-friendly way.

Same with cracker although that word may not be used casually, but maybe if used in a joking way.

[Murdr]

What is so hard about this?

Asking someone to say "hearing impaired" instead of "deaf" is PC.

Jap–adjective, noun Slang: Disparaging and Offensive. Japanese.  

[Origin: 1885–90; shortened form]
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

Pointing out that a slang has a history of being derogatory/bigoted to a group of people is not PC.

Just because it has no special significance in your culture, and your parents didn't teach you it was a "bad word" when you were a little kid does not mean it is some BS PC that people just made up on the spot to protect the overly sensitive.

[DamnedRen]

Actually I did. I was also not the only one to remark the dictionary provides what was required. The one sided history lesson was uncalled for.

Personally I don't use racial slurs. If someone is a butthead then thats what I call them regardless of race, color or creed. I am also not responsible for Japanese cannibalism and nazi atrocities during the war, the atom bomb being dropped on Japan or Black people being brought to America as slaves so don't ever try to stick that one on me. I also don't live in the past nor do I owe anyone a living.  

That being said, all that is required is to treat people how you'd like them to treat you. Life is your individual interaction with others so if you can't treat people that way don't expect them to treat you any different.

Sorry for edit for typos...

[BlauK]

It is kind of interesting that this 3-letter abreviation rises so much attention especially because "at least one japanese player is known to take offence" from it, but hardly no-one seems to notice or care when people or planes get called nazis or commies

[DamnedRen]

BlauK, I think we're speaking for all be it Japanese, German, Russian, anyone. Russian is a lil harder though since now some folks come from individual countries iso the USSR now. It's probably better now to say Rumanian, or Lithuanian or perhaps Estnian, etc.

Not sure about yer lingo ref planes. I normally call an LA7 a Laffie.

[dtango]

Originally posted by Murdr
What is so hard about this?

Asking someone to say "hearing impaired" instead of "deaf" is PC.

Pointing out that a slang has a history of being derogatory/bigoted to a group of people is not PC.

Just because it has no special significance in your culture, and your parents didn't teach you it was a "bad word" when you were a little kid does not mean it is some BS PC that people just made up on the spot to protect the overly sensitive.

Perfectly stated Murdr.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
From that logic, I can go around to every black man I see and call him a n*gger, because after all, I really don't mean it in any derogatory way.  I now understand your point my little gringo, cracker friend.


ack-ack

You have no business being critical of anyone regarding this topic.

You are a foul racist.

[mussie]

I cant remeber the exact story but, its about a Japenese pilot who shot down an american during WWII.

The Japenese pilot ends up meeting the son of the man he shot down (I think it was an intense fight IIRC) and anyway the son expected to feel anger and hatred towards the IJN pilot, but after talking about the all that had happened and seeing that the IJN pilot was like his father just a man doing his part for his country, they ended up becomming good friends, i beleive that the IJN pilot even stayed at the sons house over christmas(again IIRC).

My point is that i am sure the son would used the term "Jap" on many occasions during his life, but I doubt that he would have used it (at least not in the company of the pilot) once he got to know the man who shot down his father....

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
The one sided history lesson was uncalled for.

It wasn't one sided but in chronological order. We treated people of Asian origin badly before WWII. "Yellow Peril" anyone?
Only because Japanese Military committed athrocities later on does not justify our actions before and at the beginning of WWII, especially when you consider that most Japanese-Americans were citizens and had not much in common with Japanese Military, yet the term "Jap" (in derogatory way) was coined right then and there (US). It wasn't limited to Japanese from Japan. Similarly, our attitude towards Chinese immigrants was no better, yet they were our allies in WWII.

[Laurie]

Originally posted by lengro
Yesterday, ghosth kindly pointed out too me, that it is offensive to refer to a 'japanese plane' - when I only type the first 3 letters of 'japanese'.

It came as a big surprise for me - and made me wonder if us non-native english speakers often sounds ignorant or offensive on text-radio or vox without knowing it?

I guess its also the reason that I use too many smiley's when I write - my way of saying "hey, if I offended you it was not my intend"

My point is - I appreciate people tells me if I sound offensive - (because I am a nice guy - really ) - instead of silence.

Thank you, ghosth!

Now, carry on

screw em,
they started the bloody war didnt they.