English for beginners...

[TalonX]

The terms "Jap" and "Kraut" were meant pejoratively, period.   There isn't a nice way to say it, anymore than "spick", "daigo", "wop", etc.  I won't even spell out the n word.

There is no proper useage for these words.

All that said, I was raised by people who hated the Japanese for the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.   They used the term so freely, I did use to think it was a kind expression.

[shamroc]

Originally posted by Ghastly

"Maybe it doesn't matter how I feel about it, maybe it's what they feel that matters".

Which is the point.  

Exactly - if they don't wish to addressed by that term, it's fine by me and I'll respect that.

They however, can call me "Roundeye" anytime they like - I find that one quite funny

Shamroc

[Boxboy]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Regardless if you're Japanese or not, how you use the term or what "inflection" you use when saying it, it's offensive to them.  Why is that so hard to understand?


ack-ack

Ok how about Nip for Nippon?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
Now I am sure that in the majority of cases when someone refers to a "DICK" they are simply abbreviating the word DREDIOCK.
Because, well lets face it, DICK is a lot easier to type than DREDIOCK. Particularly in game.
And at the very most they do not mean it in a derogatory way anyway.

Oh boo hoo he called me a dick :: Yawn::

Like I told my wife once
Get it straight. Im not a dick I'm a Pr!ck

Im just calling it the way it is.
I dont ask that you like it. Nor do I care.

I get called alot of things in the game.
Why just the other night someone called me something I cant say here.
I didnt whine and cry and complain about it then.
And I didnt go running to the AH gods like a child to its mommy
And Im not doing so now.

And yanno what. if the person that said it were in trouble in the game I'd dive right in to help him. Just as I would have before.
No grudges. No offence.
I just dont care.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by dtango
Touche bighorn .

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I absolutely cannot believe some of the ridiculous statements being made by some here.  The lengths that one would go to defend why a word is not offensive is ridiculous.

If you use the term and you aren't associated with that people group you use the term about then you have no vote on whether that term is offensive or not.

In the case of "Jap", it is offensive to Japanese-Americans.  There's no question about that.  There's a history of the usage of the term in a derogatory manner and that legacy remains for Japanese-Americans.

From the Japanese American Veterans Association:
http://www.javadc.org/Press%20Release-8-13-04%20Tanamachi,%20Sandra-.doc

From the Japanese American Citizens League (one of the oldest civil rights orgs in the USA):
http://www.jacl.org/antihate/WordsFlyer.pdf

From the South Florida Sun-Sentinel:
http://www.modelminority.com/printout292.html

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

And exactly what did he touche?

As for the term Jap or any other term.
Its just another excuse for the ever so popular these days to gain a pity party by whining "I'm offended"

You can only be offended if you let yourself be.
If you chose to not let these things be offensive to you. They wont be.

Its all part of this PC crap going around.
We're all too afraid at who we might offend.
Classic example.
You wont see an American Flag in any room on Rutgers College which happens to be the State School of NJ.
And yanno why?

They don't want to "offend" any students that might be there from other countries.

And that was their official reason given.

Now the American Flag is offensive in AMERICA?

If anyone is offended about words, or flags, or names.
Grow a thicker Skin. OR shoot yourself.
Because like it or not. The world is an offensive place.

Just don't expect any sympathy or cowtowing from me.

[Rolex]

1. I strive for common sense.

2. No Japanese players call anyone "round eye" on vox or in text, even on the Japanese language channels used.

3. JP is even easier to type. A 33% gain in efficiency, if that is your true goal.

Entropy has degraded this thread. The answer is still the same and is found in the dictionary for all to read.

[Murdr]

Shame that you read none of my posts drediock

[pluck]

can I call someone a poop sucker, in a nice way, and then be angry if they don't like it?  Because I swear there are a bunch of poop suckers who live next door, I just want to make sure before I say hi.

p.s poop sucker was invented by myself, any use of that word without written consent is forbidden.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
From that logic, I can go around to every black man I see and call him a n*gger, because after all, I really don't mean it in any derogatory way.  I now understand your point my little gringo, cracker friend.


ack-ack

No because the "N" word by its very definition has a different and derogatory meaning entirely.

You might however call him a negro  which simply means black.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
In the United States and Canada, the term is now considered derogatory; Webster's Dictionary notes it is "usually disparaging."


What more than above you need to know?

 

Just checked your facts
Direct quote

Merrium Webster Dictionary-
Main Entry: Jap
Function: noun or adjective
Pronunciation: 'jap
: JAPANESE


Main Entry: JAP
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'jap
: JEWISH AMERICAN PRINCESS


Nahh Im not gonna say it. But I will leave the door WIDE open for someone else to LMAO

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by BlauK
It is kind of interesting that this 3-letter abreviation rises so much attention especially because "at least one japanese player is known to take offence" from it, but hardly no-one seems to notice or care when people or planes get called nazis or commies

Havent you figured it out yet?
He who whines the loudest gets the lollipop

[Murdr]

Check your facts.  The word, not the annogram.

Merriam-Webster Online - Definition of jap

[Murdr]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
No because the "N" word by its very definition has a different and derogatory meaning entirely.

Mr Webster does not seem to back you on that.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Please tell me where it indicates "American" is a race or ethnic group?   It may be considered an insult to foreigners but in no way is Gringo a racial or ethnic slur.


ack-ack

It may be used as an insult TO foreigners.

Problem is I've yet to meet any gringos that were offended by its use. LOL
Thus the word has no power.

Now it might fell good for the user to use it. but if the intended offendee isnt offended by it.
Whats the point?
Its lost all meaning

[Kermit de frog]

To lose respect for someone entirely because they do not agree with 1 small topic in life shows something about that person.

  I will continue in life to use the word JAP to describe a person who is Japanese or of japanese descent.  I consider it shorthand as do others.  I do not mean it in a deragatory way and when the majority of society does this, the definition in the dictionary will simply be changed/updated in writing.  Times change, as do the meanings of words.

  Not all Japs are offended by that term.  I had a friend in HS who was half Jap, half Mexican.  He would describe himself with the same words.  My whole life I never knew that Jap was a deragatory word until maybe after 18 years of age.  At that time, I found out how it was used over half a century ago from reading about WWII.  I came to the conclusion that it was once used in an offensive manner and in Today's world, it's no longer offensive.  People use it as an informal word for "Japanese"

If I start to hear this word used a lot in a deragatory way in our society, then I might consider not using the word at all.  I do not count those that use the term to describe the Japanese of the 1940's.