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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2007, 10:42:53 AM »
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As for those who said they saw no problem with instant spys/side switchers... Shame on all, that have no honor or loyalty. :p


True. I have a loyalty to my squad and myselsf. Dont give a damn about my chesspiece or if we win or lose a map :)

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« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2007, 10:44:48 AM »
You have to remember, this is a game !!! As there is no real "Rule" against spying, it will never be stopped. As for "honor" when there are those who "must win at all costs" there will be no honor honor amongst them.

Also if you insist on using "real life" information like your comment "Also Remember the MIG25 pilot that defected to S. Korea with his foxbat? Did he EVER fly a Military aircraf again? (here's a clue... NO)" the next time you are shot down and "killed" you'll of course cancel your subscription right? :t

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« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2007, 11:02:36 AM »
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You have to remember, this is a game !!! As there is no real "Rule" against spying, it will never be stopped. As for "honor" when there are those who "must win at all costs" there will be no honor honor amongst them.

Also if you insist on using "real life" information like your comment "Also Remember the MIG25 pilot that defected to S. Korea with his foxbat? Did he EVER fly a Military aircraf again? (here's a clue... NO)" the next time you are shot down and "killed" you'll of course cancel your subscription right? :t


...and send reparations to the other two chesspieces! I'm still waiting for shipments...

BTW -- Do you think the Chess symbols are accidents? They're symbols of the fact that this is a contest of skill and wits, and that after a "game" is over you get to start a new one. And yes, gramdmasters play both sides of the table.

Another thought here -- Think about the atmosphere of mutual respect you hear about when vets of WW2 meet up with vets from the opposite side. It amazes me that some guys in here show less respect for their cartoon opponents than those who saw friends die at the hands of the enemy. Sideswitchers have no honor? More like you have no sense of proportion!
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« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2007, 11:07:09 AM »
One of my best remembered missions was when my squad went NOE in Corsairs to take another base - only to go head on into a mixed 110/JU88 NOE mission 1/2 way to ours.   (Another sim, of course).

Was fun enough to remember years later.

Oh, but more to on topic.... spying sucks.  

But whats worse is that implementing "fixes" to "prevent" spying would have no negative impact whatsoever on those intent on spying (since there is no way to prevent a second account from being used) - all they would do is hamper regular users doing usual things.

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« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2007, 11:27:38 AM »
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To me, it's obvious that an NOE is on the way. First you see the enemy numbers drop at a highly defended base, then you may notice one single con near an undefended friendly base. Then you notice the location of the base to the enemy base, you also look to see where the town is located. Is it quickly accessible or do you have to fly around the base and grab for alt. I've busted many NOEs. In fact I live for it. For instance, last night at 12 there were no defenders and rooks were defending 5 heartily. Then the numbers at 5 dropped. Signal! and an noe took place at 12.



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« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2007, 11:47:44 AM »
LOLOL Twentyfo!

I've called NOE attacks so early that Bish actually outnumbered the attacking force and oh the carnage and massacre!


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« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2007, 12:35:55 PM »
There are people who are going to spy, it sucks but its part of the game.

As for ''country jumpers"". I admit, I sometimes go on the bish side and few times gone over to the rooks side. My home country is knights yes, but if I get bored there or would like to fight with some bish or rook squads, I will since I am not in a squad myself.

True when I on one country and I noticed where the CVs are, later when I jump back to another country (for example, bish, then back to knights) then I keep the location to myself and let my countrymen find it for themselves.
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« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2007, 01:42:37 PM »
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[BSideswitchers have no honor? More like you have no sense of proportion! [/B]


REALLY?!

Obviously your real world attitude and moral compass are reflected in your comments.

Yes I deplore spys and side switchers as the opportunists or "perk prostitutes" that they are. Loyalty and honor in this game are virtues that reflect the respect that actual avaitors have shown to their wartime adversaries throughout the short history of combat avaition. As a former member of the US Armed Forces, who has seen actual combat, I would be extremly skeptical about the loyalty of a traitor or spy in a real world situation. Perhaps my experiences color my attitudes toward behavior that to me is just plain wrong.

Proportion?
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« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2007, 01:59:03 PM »
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That IS his in game name...  Here are his stats MAJissue


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« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2007, 02:01:46 PM »
My best NOE mission:

Flying in a group of 15 110's with a goon trailing.
Someones says, "Oh man con on the deck, 12 o'clock"
Someone else, "Damn there's a bunch now."
Someone else, "HAHAHAHA, we've just run into another mission"
Someone else, "Drop tanks away, Engage"

What followed was one of the best 110 vs N1k HO-fest, furballs ever. :lol
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« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2007, 02:07:20 PM »
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Loyalty and honor in this game are virtues that reflect the respect that actual avaitors have shown to their wartime adversaries throughout the short history of combat avaition.


Maybe in your mind it does ... but there is a majority that look at all of this as a GAME ... nothing more ... nothing less.

Funny thing is that you continue in your post to then brush it all off with ... "Looking at "the big picture", I fly Aces High for fun and entertainment."

So what is it ... serious or fun ?

Also, I switch sides ALL the time ... I am neither an ... opportunist or "perk prostitute". I do have close to 30,000 perks ... so as you can see, I don't use nor need them.

I switch sides to find good fights or to help the weaker team ... simple as that.
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« Reply #71 on: September 19, 2007, 02:13:32 PM »
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REALLY?!

Obviously your real world attitude and moral compass are reflected in your comments.

Yes I deplore spys and side switchers as the opportunists or "perk prostitutes" that they are. Loyalty and honor in this game are virtues that reflect the respect that actual avaitors have shown to their wartime adversaries throughout the short history of combat avaition. As a former member of the US Armed Forces, who has seen actual combat, I would be extremly skeptical about the loyalty of a traitor or spy in a real world situation. Perhaps my experiences color my attitudes toward behavior that to me is just plain wrong.
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To lump everyone who switches side into the "spys and side switchers as the opportunists or "perk prostitutes" that they are." group is about as narrow minded as you can get, then you turn around and point out you fly this game for fun !!!!

I've flown AH for years, the first few I flew as a Bishop, now mostly Rook, but when I'm looking for "fun", it really doesn't matter which side I'm on. Some nights my squadies are either not on, or in an arena thats full, so I'll fly bish and wing with a few guys I use to be in a squad with there, or just hook up with a few friend that fly knight. Maybe Rooks numbers are way off from the one of the other sides, I'll switch to help there.

Am I a spy, I don't think so, I'm just looking for some fun.

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« Reply #72 on: September 19, 2007, 02:18:41 PM »
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Thanks for the props...
No problem. Your gameid was one I remembered.  

I have your B-25 sticker on my PT boat :)  When the kill message came up I thought "What a great name.."  I wish I had thought up such a good gameid.
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« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2007, 02:19:18 PM »
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REALLY?!

Obviously your real world attitude and moral compass are reflected in your comments.

Yes I deplore spys and side switchers as the opportunists or "perk prostitutes" that they are. Loyalty and honor in this game are virtues that reflect the respect that actual avaitors have shown to their wartime adversaries throughout the short history of combat avaition. As a former member of the US Armed Forces, who has seen actual combat, I would be extremly skeptical about the loyalty of a traitor or spy in a real world situation. Perhaps my experiences color my attitudes toward behavior that to me is just plain wrong.

Proportion?
By discussing this issue in an open forum  it brings an annoying problem to light and allows possible solutions to that problem to be suggested by other participants.
 
Looking at "the big picture", I fly Aces High for fun and entertainment. Also because the FAA (and other agencies) might frown on me mounting M2s on a Cessna 182 and waxing the tails of unsuspecting aircraft at my local airport! Let's face it, this game is the closest most of us will ever get to actual combat avaition... so look for me on your six my friend!!!
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I fund it amusing that a green at the gills newb has the arrogance to question the "moral compass" of anyone at all --

-- and me thinks that if you had any concept of the lives lived by some of the side switchers you've insulted, you'd crawl into a hole from shame.


I took too long to respond to most of your mud slinging, and others have done you in better than I could anyway. So I'll leave most of your drivel alone.

On the off chance that reason can reach you, let me say that your inability to understand what I meant by proportion just proves my point. This is a GAME, like chess. You seem to be saying that if I defeat an opponent playing the white peices, and switch to play the black ones, I am immoral and disloyal. Or maybe a better illustration: If I'm playing pickup football and a couple guys have to leave, is it really immoral or disloyal for me to switch over to the other side in order to keep the game going? After all, if its 6 on one side and 3 on the other, we all know what'd happen -- the ganged side would lose, they'd get tired of playing, and go home. End result -- no game for anyone. And AH is a GAME, played for fun among friends.

The big difference between war and this GAME is what's being fought over. There is absolutely nothing at stake in a game, or a map, of Aces High. Nothing. Zero. Nada. It starts again 30 secs after it ends. Watch endless cycle that for 5 years, and then see if you still think "winning" the contest is more important than the people -- on all sides -- who enjoy the contest for its own sake.
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« Reply #74 on: September 19, 2007, 02:25:29 PM »
Sim ... some people can't "see the forest for the trees".
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