The failure of socialized medicine in Canada

[Torque]

Originally posted by lazs2


torque...  canada is not the US.   you do not have near the illegals we do.  nor the negro addicts.   In order for us to have anything like your system it would cost at least twice as much.

How much do your doctors pay for malpractice insurance a year?   How many MRI machines per capita do you have?

lazs

i was just replying to rip's post on the failure aspect of the canadian system and you're bent if you take that as an advocating for americans to go universal... oddly enough rip seems to despises 'socialized medicine' unless it is in the form of a subsidy to beoing.

our system is basically the same as your mediaid and medicare minus 300 million people  and without the doughnut hole in the middle... so the middle-class that pay for it get to use it.

cry me a socialist river that private american companies spends too much on research and such... as i don't really care... they still charge for the drugs or services.

[Ripsnort]

Torque, my medical benefits are part of my negotiated salary, not welfare. I work for those benefits.  I could go contract and get double the pay for the same job, but I prefer to have the retirement package (plus the matching .75 cents to the dollar contribution to my VIP) and the medical package in leiu of double pay.

[thrila]

I wasn't aware the US had any special way of discovering drugs Lazs do tell.   I was doing just that over the summer working working at Leeds University Anitmicrobial Research Centre, any help would be greatly appreciated.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by lazs2
xmar4ine... I see your libertarianism does have limits... you do want other people to pay for your "free" medical care.

lazs

Free health care is a great idea, but that's it. The current system sucks and letting the mental midgets in the .gov take it over would also suck... both exist because our leaders, so called, suck.

The country is broken, there are no real solutions anymore.. when is the last time this .gov did something that actually fixed anything? just a bunch of clones bickering that their party idea is the best... any legislation they do pass is guaranteed to accomplish nothing and cost too much $$.

[TalonX]

How many times does it have to be proven?

Socialism doesn't work...no one prospers...in fact, most live substandard existances, without motivation to succeed.

Socialized programs are not an exception... THEY FAIL.

[Vulcan]

Edit nevermind found something:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg

According to this (I'm a little dubious of these numbers... but..) we pay less tax than the USA in NZ. We have free healthcare, free early childhood schooling, a free education system, and a social welfare propping up the lazy.

Seems to me if you are paying higher taxes AND insurance then you're getting ripped off?

[bj229r]

Not sure of the allocations, but OVER 50% of annual US budget is committed to various programs i.e. Medicaid, food stamps, AFDC....etc. When they argue about budget here, its only about how to spend the remaining 49%:cry

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by thrila
I wasn't aware the US had any special way of discovering drugs Lazs do tell.   I was doing just that over the summer working working at Leeds University Anitmicrobial Research Centre, any help would be greatly appreciated.

My wife has been in the medical industry for 20+ years, she claims that the high cost of prrescription drugs in the US. helps pay for research and development into in medical break throughs, advances, and drugs. I'll take her word for it (a source from the industry) rather than some gal named "thrila".

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
My wife has been in the medical industry for 20+ years, she claims that the high cost of prrescription drugs in the US. helps pay for research and development into in medical break throughs, advances, and drugs. I'll take her word for it (a source from the industry) rather than some gal named "thrila".

Yup after what is left over from what the stockholders get.

[storch]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
Yup after what is left over from what the stockholders get.

are you saying that people having return on investment is somehow improper?  are you really such a tool?

[MiloMorai]

Not at all.

Btw, look in a mirror.

[68Wooley]

The only answer to this is for people to stop getting sick.

Health insurance in the US costs a fortune because health care is run as a business and profits come out just ahead of avoiding malpractice suits as the number one priority. Customer satisfaction or value for money is a distant third.

On the other hand, back home in the good old UK, health care is run by civil servants with predictable results.

Neither system is satisfactory, but in the end the big difference for me is I never worried about paying for health care in my old age (when I'm actually likely to use it) in the UK. My US employer's health insurance scheme isn't going to help when I retire.

Out of interest, how does the average retiree pay for health care in the US?

[bj229r]

I'll bite...Medicare? either Part A...B...C...D.....anyhow in 2006 it was over 3% of the entire US G.D.P.....likely to increase as baby-boomer folks like myself hit retirement age

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by TalonX
How many times does it have to be proven?

Socialism doesn't work...no one prospers...in fact, most live substandard existances, without motivation to succeed.

Socialized programs are not an exception... THEY FAIL.

Nah, the more socialist a country is the great the chance that their economy will collapse...everything else being equal.  But  a socialist program won't necessarily fail alone by themselves.  They are however a very inefficient use of resources and are immoral.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
My wife has been in the medical industry for 20+ years, she claims that the high cost of prrescription drugs in the US. helps pay for research and development into in medical break throughs, advances, and drugs. I'll take her word for it (a source from the industry) rather than some gal named "thrila".

That's great, you work in the "aviation field" therefore I should ask your opinion on flight attendant labour issues in a small Uzbek carrier?  

Being a nurse doesn't make anyone an authority on the economics of the pharmaceutical industry, it makes them an expert on administering drugs.