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« Reply #150 on: October 27, 2007, 04:56:07 PM »
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yes tigeress, in the same way as someone who gets hit by a car may be more carefull of all cars from then on. as i said, i realise that both the sexes have very real reasons to dislike the opposite after whatever abuses they may inflict on one another.
but then there are the women who listen to the horror story of one woman and without actualy experiencing any abuse personaly still manage to get to the same point of conflict with males.

personaly i get on with males or females equaly well in most cases i am merely pointing out that both men and women are just as rotten to each other given the inclination.


Quite so... quite so. Men hold no exclusive claim to dealing out emotional abuse. Some women can be brutal.

I hope you don't think I am like that...

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« Reply #151 on: October 27, 2007, 05:03:28 PM »
no way! My appologies I am too free with my thoughts and forget what i might look like saying. nothing was directed at you one bit, i was merely interested in the debate between lazs and yourself. depite the fact i am judging women and defending men here i am also willing to admit that men have done great wrong to women also, maybe more so. As Lazs says, women and men are different in the same way it is foolish to tell a white and a black person that they are exactly the same. the ways men and women hurt each other are very different yet totaly equal in cruelty when things are all added up.
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« Reply #152 on: October 27, 2007, 05:07:27 PM »
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no way! My appologies I am too free with my thoughts and forget what i might look like saying. nothing was directed at you one bit, i was merely interested in the debate between lazs and yourself. depite the fact i am judging women and defending men here i am also willing to admit that men have done great wrong to women also, maybe more so. As Lazs says, women and men are different in the same way it is foolish to tell a white and a black person that they are exactly the same. the ways men and women hurt each other are very different yet totaly equal in cruelty when things are all added up.


Thank you, Bat.

I very much agree with your expressed sentiments, too.
I am usually one of the first to defend men when they get dumped on and bashed.

Somewhere is a comfortable and fair middle ground for both.
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« Reply #153 on: October 27, 2007, 05:21:01 PM »
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As long as US foreign policy meddles in their (mid east) business with negative consequences, it's obvious those who don't like the results (aka scary "terrorists") will desire pay-back.. as they have been for years and years.

These people are getting tired of foreign govts interference, they've been dealing with it for a long time. It seems every now and then some egomaniacal psychopath "leader" who thinks he has the military to do anything he wants, sets his sights on Iraq..  

Who said this?: (hint the year was 1941, the plan: regime change in Baghdad) "The Arabian Freedom Movement in the Middle East is our natural ally... In this connection special importance is attached to the liberation of Iraq.." Answer here

Oh yea, the old, literally, "democracy" in the mid east plan again... but I'm sure it will work this time. Different "leader", same designs.. or as some might say "same she-it, different year"

Why not just buy their oil and leave them alone?

Do we teach our kids to overthrow families and install puppet parents when another kid works against our kids interests? (Op Ajax) Do we tell little Johhny it's OK for him to manipulate kids into fighting, then to sell them both the arms they need to better kill each other? (Iran / Contra)... if my kid acted this way at school, he'd be considered a little A-hole... but I'd just tell him those angry kids were "terrorist" brats who hated his freedom.


Thanks for your post, x0847Marine.

Welcome to the thread. Its gotten slightly hi-jacked by innocent tangent but your post swings it back on topic.



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« Reply #154 on: October 27, 2007, 05:21:46 PM »
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Its gotten a little hi-jacked  



i prefer to think of it as creative discourse :D
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« Reply #155 on: October 27, 2007, 05:46:16 PM »


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« Reply #156 on: October 27, 2007, 06:14:01 PM »
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Thanks for your post, x0847Marine.

Welcome to the thread. Its gotten slightly hi-jacked by innocent tangent but your post swings it back on topic.



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I tend to skip around and didn't notice to hi-jack, but now I'm intrigued and will go back and read it!

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« Reply #157 on: October 28, 2007, 10:39:28 AM »
xmarine... since you are back on topic.. maybe you can finally answer a question that none of you cut and run types has yet.

What should we do?   oh... I know... run away and let em fend for themselves on top of all that oil...  they will sell it to us right?   you said they would.. why would they bother to boycott us and sell it to say.. china?

And.. just because the people who would fund terrorists would then be free to operate and have unlimited funds to do so... that doesn't mean they would do bad things to us.. like say.. run an airliner into some buildings or smuggle dirty nukes in to vaporize a few blue cities... yours probly first.

Soo... real easy for you to critique what is being done.. but.. you have no answer.. every answer you have.. every way you would handle it.. leads to disaster.. real disaster for us right here at home.

Now.. the bad guys are fighting and dieing there... the guys doing the killing are doing it of their own free will and not whining like you are.   No attacks have happened here..  we haven't been boycotted and we may... just may.... end up with a free nation in the region that is an ally besides israel.

Compare that to anything you can come up with...  "just walk away and buy the oil" is not really much of a plan now is it?

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« Reply #158 on: October 28, 2007, 10:42:59 AM »
The plan lazs is to simply make everything the republicans do appear as a mistake or failure. Then the democrats can take over and take care of everything.
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« Reply #159 on: October 28, 2007, 11:01:11 AM »
Oh.. it is maybe not that simple but... what they want is to pull out and.. use the money on social programs.. maybe fund the socialized medicine for a few years.

When things go bad.. oil goes up.. bombs go off.. terrorists with plane tickets and forged papers blow themselves up in malls...

They can blame that on the mistakes made by the previous admin.  Some truth exists... there were mistakes made but... the big lie will be that we weren't safer and better off now than while they are in power..

When we pull out.. if we do it without stabalizing the government... it will get ugly... here and there.   We need to finish up.. "stay the course" is simplistic but correct.

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« Reply #160 on: October 28, 2007, 01:45:58 PM »
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xmarine... since you are back on topic.. maybe you can finally answer a question that none of you cut and run types has yet.

What should we do?   oh... I know... run away and let em fend for themselves on top of all that oil...  they will sell it to us right?   you said they would.. why would they bother to boycott us and sell it to say.. china?

And.. just because the people who would fund terrorists would then be free to operate and have unlimited funds to do so... that doesn't mean they would do bad things to us.. like say.. run an airliner into some buildings or smuggle dirty nukes in to vaporize a few blue cities... yours probly first.

Soo... real easy for you to critique what is being done.. but.. you have no answer.. every answer you have.. every way you would handle it.. leads to disaster.. real disaster for us right here at home.

Now.. the bad guys are fighting and dieing there... the guys doing the killing are doing it of their own free will and not whining like you are.   No attacks have happened here..  we haven't been boycotted and we may... just may.... end up with a free nation in the region that is an ally besides israel.

Compare that to anything you can come up with...  "just walk away and buy the oil" is not really much of a plan now is it?

lazs


We should apologize for the "oops" of having zero justification to occupy Iraq, a lunatic president, and negotiate the safe withdrawal of every last US troop while agreeing to pay hefty amounts of "sorry we broke your country" re-building $$ to mid east & euro companies.  

A few million bucks cash and contracts to local tribesmen has already worked to reduce violence, why won't it work to get our troops out? Re-read the article How Bush became the new Saddam, it only took W 5 years to figure out Saddams policy of paying the locals actually works. As of today, US tax dollars go directly to groups like The 1920 revolutionary brigade, who have produced dozens of videos boasting their handy work sniping / blowing up US troops. These dudes are all about the drama of greed and power, stroking their egos with cash works, treating them with disrespect & indifference doesn't.

If they boycott the US, so be it... thank your local republican, can't say we don't deserve it after the abhorrent reduction on their entire nation into the stone age based on low budget fiction.  Lets not forget, it's their oil, not ours, who they decide to sell it to is none of our business. Yes dear, that means sell the SUV.

I don't buy into the crystal ball gazers who look into the future and see doom & gloom if US forces leave, where the evidence of this? have the Iraqis stated "when you leave, we're going to tear crap up"? has anyone considered the occupation IS the cause? or is that too painful to admit.

Believe it or not the Bush administration are not the only people in the world capable of bringing peace to Iraq, actually they are probably the least qualified and proven the least competent. I'm sure the world community, Iraqs neighbors & the UN et al can figure something out to stabilize Iraq... we wore out our welcome and credibility a long time ago.

Frankly I don't care even if Iraq does go to crap, that entire country isn't worth the life of 1 US troop. Why send American boys thousands of miles to do a job Iraqi boys should be doing for themselves?

I also don't buy into the foot stomping patriotic emotional who-ha of "losing a war", "running away", "cut and run", "dying in vain" or any of that bumper sticker opinion rhetoric, this "war" was justified based on 100% pure Texas manure, cowboy-up, admit to being wrong, and pay for the mess we created... send the bill to the neoclowns & RNC with a "thank you for screwing us" love note.

Yea its a real harsh on the US mellow to eat hefty amounts of Crow, but that's what happens when our leaders pork the pooch this bad.. I'd rather have a stomach full of Crow than 4,000 more dead and 20,000+ maimed US troops.

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« Reply #161 on: October 28, 2007, 01:59:07 PM »
x0847Marine, you are so far gone there no hope for you.

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« Reply #162 on: October 28, 2007, 04:41:24 PM »
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We should apologize for the "oops" of having zero justification to occupy Iraq, a lunatic president, and negotiate the safe withdrawal of every last US troop while agreeing to pay hefty amounts of "sorry we broke your country" re-building $$ to mid east & euro companies.  


If it weren't for the FACT that Iraq invaded Kuwait and our giving them ample opportunity to withdraw peacefully and when they refused that, our invasion, and their unconditional surrender but then refusing to comply with the conditions we set for 12 years I would agree with you.
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« Reply #163 on: October 28, 2007, 06:23:08 PM »
well... ron paul is advocating to cut and run... so how is it that he won latest republican debate and why is it that he has highest amount of political contributions from military personnel than any other runner?

maybe being a paper patriot and talking to vets during checkout isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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« Reply #164 on: October 28, 2007, 06:29:45 PM »
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well... ron paul is advocating to cut and run... so how is it that he won latest republican debate and  


i don't think so, maybe in your mind.