It's Like the Hydra

[lazs2]

tigress.. have you ever read the bible?

Do you ever think about what you write?  look at the bible.  It is addressed to men and it has some real barbaric and intolerant stuff in it if....if.. you interpret it that way.  

some real fundamental christian sects interpret the bible in such a way... playing with snakes and such...

I don't think I need to read self help books... you will notice of course that it is women who sucker for that drivel.. you have made self help charlatans and romance writers very rich as a gender.    You have also helped build some of the most bizzare cults in history by following some "self help" male nutjob.

Moderate religious types of all religions are no threat to people.. extremists of all religions are a threat.    

as for multitasking... if what women do is multitasking then... it is over rated.   I will say that it should make them superior secretaries tho.

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
tigress.. have you ever read the bible?

Do you ever think about what you write?  look at the bible.  It is addressed to men and it has some real barbaric and intolerant stuff in it if....if.. you interpret it that way.  

some real fundamental christian sects interpret the bible in such a way... playing with snakes and such...

I don't think I need to read self help books... you will notice of course that it is women who sucker for that drivel.. you have made self help charlatans and romance writers very rich as a gender.    You have also helped build some of the most bizzare cults in history by following some "self help" male nutjob.

Moderate religious types of all religions are no threat to people.. extremists of all religions are a threat.    

as for multitasking... if what women do is multitasking then... it is over rated.   I will say that it should make them superior secretaries tho.

lazs

I think "Men are from Mars; Women are from Venus" sheds a lot of light on the natures and interplay of male and female and should be required reading for all young adults.

It stands out.

And I totally agree with you that there are way too many people making money selling books for self-help.

My view is most, but not all, of it is a waste of money.

Yes, I have read many parts of the Holy Christian Bible, and yes it was written "by men; for men" ergo we have the ubiquitous term "Mankind" which should be "Humankind" when referring to the human race.

I have also studied Buddhism as well, and respect the wisdom and guidance of the origional Buddha. He was a man.

Complete male domination of women is historical... but not inevitable.

Man and Woman are partners... teammates. Each has strengths and weaknesses. Both are human... 100%

Not master and slave.

I acknowledge man's superior strength; I have often wished I was strong physically but I have multi-tasking to my side of the equation to compensate in another way.

Catholics often pray to Holy Mary, Mother of God.

"Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen. "

My individual, personal, believe is God is gender-less.

Most modern Christians have enough sense to ignore some of the Biblical instructions which do not apply to life in the modern age.

Blindly accepting Man as my master is something I choose to ignore.

I love and respect Man and give him his due, nonetheless.

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

I am not surprised that you think self help pschobabble is useful.. it is because of your gender.  

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
I am not surprised that you think self help pschobabble is useful.. it is because of your gender.  

lazs

"Men are from Mars; Women are from Venus" was written by a man, dear.
John Gray, Ph. D., is an internationally recognized expert on relationships.

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

Of course it was...  just as I have said in other threads... men write it to pander to womens weakness.   It is women who buy into that crap.  

Just as cults are formed by men but get women to follow them and thus... drag the men along.

lazs

[john9001]

i am happy that men and women are different, i just wish i could understand women. :confused

well maybe that's just part of the game, if we knew the all the answers it might not be as much fun.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by john9001
i am happy that men and women are different, i just wish i could understand women. :confused

well maybe that's just part of the game, if we knew the all the answers it might not be as much fun.

an excerpt:

REMEMBERING OUR DIFFERENCES

Without the awareness that we are supposed to be different, men and women are at odds with each other. We usually become angry or frustrated with the opposite sex because we have forgotten this important truth. We expect the opposite sex to be more like ourselves. We desire them to "want what we want" and "feel the way we feel."

We mistakenly assume that if our partners love us they will react and behave in certain ways-the ways we react and behave when we love someone. This attitude sets us up to be disappointed again and again and prevents us from taking the necessary time to communicate lovingly about our differences.

In chapter 2 we will explore how men's and women's values are inherently different and try to understand the two biggest mistakes we make in relating to the opposite sex: men mistakenly offer solutions and invalidate feelings while women offer unsolicited advice and direction. Through understanding our Martian/Venusian background it becomes obvious why men and women unknowingly make these mistakes. By remembering these differences we can correct our mistakes and immediately respond to each other in more We will explore how to motivate the opposite sex in chapter 4. Men are motivated when they feel needed while women are motivated when they feel cherished. We will discuss the three steps for improving relationships and explore how to overcome our greatest challenges: men need to overcome their resistance to giving love while women must overcome their resistance to receiving it.

In chapter 5 you'll learn how men and women commonly misunderstand each other because they speak different languages. A Martian/Venusian Phrase Dictionary is provided to translate commonly misunderstood expressions. You will learn how men and women speak and even stop speaking for entirely different reasons. Women will learn what to do when a man stops talking, and men will learn how to listen better without becoming frustrated.

You should read it, imho, Lazs.

I am indeed, trying to communicate lovingly, about our differences, good natured teasing aside, and distain for outright male domination, notwithstanding.

I wish you would read it.

TIGERESS

[lazs2]

"Without the awareness that we are supposed to be different, men and women are at odds with each other. We usually become angry or frustrated with the opposite sex because we have forgotten this important truth. We expect the opposite sex to be more like ourselves. We desire them to "want what we want" and "feel the way we feel."

This is just common sense that everyone already knows... men and women are different.  

he could have stopped there.. but... he was trying to make a buck on gullible women who, unlike men... need to "understand" why people are the way they are.   sooooo... rather than admit it and say  "well... that's just the way it is".. he rattles off a crapload of pschobabble for anther umpteen hundred words and guess what...

None of it is usable and...  that is the irony.. all them women buying all them self help books and in the end... it is useless.. if anything.. they are even more of a basket case trying to micromanage their feelings and relationships.   Not willing to just let people be what they are and relationships run their course.

in the end.. the only "understanding" they get from the self help books is an illusion and only gets in the way of living the damn thing.

I think it is healthy tho that you admit a disdain for males.

lazs

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by lazs2
"Without the awareness that we are supposed to be different, men and women are at odds with each other. We usually become angry or frustrated with the opposite sex because we have forgotten this important truth. We expect the opposite sex to be more like ourselves. We desire them to "want what we want" and "feel the way we feel."

This is just common sense that everyone already knows... men and women are different.  

he could have stopped there.. but... he was trying to make a buck on gullible women who, unlike men... need to "understand" why people are the way they are.   sooooo... rather than admit it and say  "well... that's just the way it is".. he rattles off a crapload of pschobabble for anther umpteen hundred words and guess what...

None of it is usable and...  that is the irony.. all them women buying all them self help books and in the end... it is useless.. if anything.. they are even more of a basket case trying to micromanage their feelings and relationships.   Not willing to just let people be what they are and relationships run their course.

in the end.. the only "understanding" they get from the self help books is an illusion and only gets in the way of living the damn thing.

I think it is healthy tho that you admit a disdain for males.

lazs

mmmmm... to quote myself lol "Blindly accepting Man as my master is something I choose to ignore. I love and respect Man and give him his due, nonetheless."

What I distain is outright male domination of me. There are plenty of men who don't do that... they dont need to... they dominate each other instead.

Few things are worse than living with a man who is a control freak. bleah

I think many men enjoy that domination thing amongst themselves... the who owns whom thing... its normal for men, isn't it? anyway, in my view it is. Look at the prize fighting game... or the nature of war itself.

TIGERESS

[john9001]

come on TIGERESS, you know you are attracted to a strong dominant male.

[B@tfinkV]

It is surely possible for a woman to feel like a man wants to dominate. The naked truth is that men are physicaly built stronger as a general rule. Many men are indeed guilty of wanting to dominate not just a woman but everything around them. Through the ages women have had thier fair share of things to kill some men for.
 
What i do see as a larger problem in today's society is women who judge all men to want to dominate them. the women who never let a relationship play fair and have to dominate all other aspects of life aside from physical might. This is an involuntary reaction to a woman's feeling of weakness as an animal creature against the male physique. These dominations of mind and soul are far more painfull to any man than a sound beating with a stick. In the end the man becomes a husk of a soul, and ceases to care. this hardness then prooves the woman right, she made him what she wanted so she could justify hating him.
 
Many good husbands have been driven into the dirt by a silently spitefull woman when all they would have used thier male power for would have been protection of the family to the death.
Men are equaly deluded and manipulative also i of course do not deny.
  I just find it hard to see why some women will hold this evolutionary difference against men for so many thousands of years.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by john9001
come on TIGERESS, you know you are attracted to a strong dominant male.

I admit it, John. I do.

I can be quoted from a previous post... I believe in the Women's Suffrage Thread. "It's like the moth and the flame."

But with that said, I do not allow myself to be mistreated and abused and said as much in that post.

Been there; done that.

I have a lot more self-respect and self-esteem than that, dear.

And what kind of a man would be happy with a woman who viewed herself as equivilant to dirt, thus allowing herself to be treated as such?

A man can be quite manly and powerful thus attractive and not treat women like dirt. And can be tender and loving with a woman without sacrifacing his maleness.

I have a very good friendship with a man... very much a man's man... a multi-veteran of both Afganistan and Iraq... a Marine Gunnery Sgt.

He has personally killed Al Quaeda and Taliban fighters and has been wounded in the process.

He would NEVER EVER think of mistreating me or any other woman... ever.
Nor would he tolerate reverse abuse.

TIGERESS

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by RedTop
Although she makes some good points , she is fighting a huge uphill battle in my opinion.

Muslims and Islam will never go away. We will be fighting this "War on Terror" until the end of time.

As long as US foreign policy meddles in their (mid east) business with negative consequences, it's obvious those who don't like the results (aka scary "terrorists") will desire pay-back.. as they have been for years and years.

These people are getting tired of foreign govts interference, they've been dealing with it for a long time. It seems every now and then some egomaniacal psychopath "leader" who thinks he has the military to do anything he wants, sets his sights on Iraq..  

Who said this?: (hint the year was 1941, the plan: regime change in Baghdad) "The Arabian Freedom Movement in the Middle East is our natural ally... In this connection special importance is attached to the liberation of Iraq.." Answer here

Oh yea, the old, literally, "democracy" in the mid east plan again... but I'm sure it will work this time. Different "leader", same designs.. or as some might say "same she-it, different year"

Why not just buy their oil and leave them alone?

Do we teach our kids to overthrow families and install puppet parents when another kid works against our kids interests? (Op Ajax) Do we tell little Johhny it's OK for him to manipulate kids into fighting, then to sell them both the arms they need to better kill each other? (Iran / Contra)... if my kid acted this way at school, he'd be considered a little A-hole... but I'd just tell him those angry kids were "terrorist" brats who hated his freedom.

[Tigeress]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
It is surely possible for a woman to feel like a man wants to dominate. The naked truth is that men are physicaly built stronger as a general rule. Many men are indeed guilty of wanting to dominate not just a woman but everything around them. Through the ages women have had thier fair share of things to kill some men for.
 
What i do see as a larger problem in today's society is women who judge all men to want to dominate them. the women who never let a relationship play fair and have to dominate all other aspects of life aside from physical might. This is an involuntary reaction to a woman's feeling of weakness as an animal creature against the male physique. These dominations of mind and soul are far more painfull to any man than a sound beating with a stick. In the end the man becomes a husk of a soul, and ceases to care. this hardness then prooves the woman right, she made him what she wanted so she could justify hating him.
 
Many good husbands have been driven into the dirt by a silently spitefull woman when all they would have used thier male power for would have been protection of the family to the death.
Men are equaly deluded and manipulative also i of course do not deny.
  I just find it hard to see why some women will hold this evolutionary difference against men for so many thousands of years.

Bat wrote: "What i do see as a larger problem in today's society is women who judge all men to want to dominate them."

Tigeress replies: I know women like that... all of them I personally know have experienced physical and sexual abuse and cast all men in the same light as their abuser.

They are afraid of men. Tough situation for them.

There are also men who express views of women as brainless twits in so many words and have uses for them but not too many.

go figure...

I believe men and women like that are on the fringes of the bell curve in civilized societies and more the norm in Taliban like societies.

Bat, staying from hard core Political Man-Hating Femi-Nazis is my recommendation. They become what they do not like.

Those women just don't get it, imo.

TIGERESS

[B@tfinkV]

yes tigeress, in the same way as someone who gets hit by a car may be more carefull of all cars from then on. as i said, i realise that both the sexes have very real reasons to dislike the opposite after whatever abuses they may inflict on one another.
but then there are the women who listen to the horror story of one woman and without actualy experiencing any abuse personaly still manage to get to the same point of conflict with males.

personaly i get on with males or females equaly well in most cases i am merely pointing out that both men and women are just as rotten to each other given the inclination.