Originally posted by lazs2
ok xmarine.. so now we know your solution.. we pull out and "apologize" for getting rid of one of the worlds most brutal dictators.. one his people couldn't wait to hang.
Now.. that is phase one of your plan.. just do a saigon and try to get everyone out in a week.... then...
Then you say we pay reparations... to who? there will be no government. Three or four factions including the most violent suicide bomber islamofacists will all be killing each other in some chaotic hell.. who do you give the money too? and... if the facists win... do you still give it to them to "help build infrastructure"
and then you say.. so what if they boycott us.... it will all be worth it because...
because we can blame your hated republicans. That really is the meat of your idea isn't it.. cut and run and watch things go to crap and then... blame the republicans...
When gas is $10 a gallon and you have to wait in line... that will be good because.. you can blame the republicans... when a few blue cities are vaporized or the local school or mall gets suicide bombed.. no big loss if you can.... blame the republicans..
even tho... the republicans are in now and none of those things are happening with their way of doing it.
it just seems that like all lefties... you haven't thought this out.. that your hate is driving you and keeping you from thinking it through.
It's a mess.. I agree but.. the people we have to deal with are a mess. We had to face it sooner or later...
In the meantime... throw out the democrats and build some nuke plants and drill offshore and in alaska for some damn oil while we are learning to do something else.
lazs
No, we apologize for the death, disease and millions of displaced people due to our govts incompetence. The Iraqi army & police were standing by ready to quell the rioting and violence, waiting for an order... the Bush administration told them they no longer had jobs. It all but insured a power vacuum that was quickly filled by gangs & criminals, the easily predictable result was chaos & violence... and it's all the US's fault... done in my name and yours.
We apologize for invading on the false pretense of imaginary WMDs. If a cop arrested & threw you in jail for possession of WMD, yet none were found, you'd be free as soon as your lawyer filed a motion... thats the American way, due process. No matter how bad and evil the DA said you were, you get to go about your business if theres no evidence.
In this case the UN is the court, and they didn't give Bush authorization to occupy Iraq.. case dismissed, unless you're USA... apparently we can ignore international treaties to the determent of millions, while insisting Iran et al obey them to the letter.
You can thank the republican neoclowns for the price of gas, this is their war... this is all part of the PNAC plan laid out years ago, Wolfwhiz once said after the collapse of the USSR, USA was the "new Rome". Thank the democrats for being spineless liars.
Our leaders lied and screwed up, the result: untold thousands, perhaps over 1 million, are dead, dying of disease and displaced... thats why we apologize.
Imagine your an average Iraqi, you have a job, provide for the fam, pay your bills, take the kids to soccer games on the weekend in your suburban neighborhood. Next thing you know the USA comes in, wrecks everything to where the sewage flows in the streets and garbage piles up. Criminal gangs loot & pillage everything you have, friends & neighbors are killed / kidnapped.. and there is no authority to stop any of it. The USA promises a-lot, and delivers anarchy... with Abu Ghraib torture just for kicks.
Next thing you know your family is wandering from one disease filled refugee pit to another. Would that make you bitter? pick up a gun for some payback maybe? Wouldn't you want someone to man-up, apologize profusely for the mistakes and offer to help you rebuild your life? Or would you rather have them smugly chuckle at any suggestion of wrong-doing, turn a blind eye to the death, filth and suffering they caused as if it just didn't matter...
Now imagine the million or so angry folks out there this applies to... thats why we apologize.
But I see you cant make the tough decision of how many US troops lives Iraq is worth... your not alone, neither can congress. Then again its real easy to insist others put their lives on the line from the cumfy confines of home behind a keyboard. I served 88-92 desert shield / storm, and every minute of the 92 LA riots as a police officer, I've been there done that.. what always amused me were the ones at home eating Doritos with nothing to lose insisting "we" fight on, kick some ******* booty and all that macho patriotic drivel without even considering if my life was worth the cause. If the boot were on the other foot, I'd gladly sacrifice your life so my gas wasn't $5.00 a gallon... but not mine or anyone I care about. So you have my permission to sign up, or join the blackwater mercs and go die in Iraq.
I made up my mind, our troops are worth more than protecting the interests of the US companies making billions off this "war", the Bush administration are not the only people on this planet that can figure out a solution.. they had their change and blew it in grand fashion... and thats not our troops fault, they shouldn't continue to pay for politicians incompetence with their lives, arms and legs.
Last... Saddam had zero motivation to pursue WMDs or nukes
at that time, which was why he agreed to UN inspections that found nothing... why? sanctions were going to be lifted, he was getting ready to make BILLIONS and turn the Iraq economy around big time by selling oil in euros... EU companies were lined up, and "western" powers were going to be locked out. He was about to stomp on the US dollar and make enough $$ to render any US sanctions meaningless. If he wanted a nuke or wmds, he'd have plenty of euros to buy them in a few years, but at the time he agreed to whatever it took to get the sanctions lifted.
Iran is about to do the exact same, 5 years from now they'll be filthy rich and will have enough cheese to laugh at US sanctions, buy all of China & Russia's coolest weapons, and they'll enjoy a-lot of leverage by being the exclusive supplier of the worlds crude in euros. With their traditional enemy Saddam gone, thanks to the USA, they're about to become a mid east power... maybe Bush should apologize for that too.
