Out of the Closet

[Arlo]

I think that's close enough. Me and the Cap'n have more of a relationship ourselves.

[BluKitty]

Originally posted by storch
chairboy, the other day (thursday, last I think) I was measuring a condo for an access control system. as I was measuring two men drive up to the condo entrance dismount their scooter watermelon chat a bit and then a long tongue kiss.  the sight of these two flits induced a gag reflex in me.  I felt like kicking the living (expletive) out of them.

don't tell me homosexuality is normal.  I have lived most of my life in this town and it has always been crawling with homosexuals.  I have seen the above described more than once and yet the sight of something as messed up as that never fails to shock me.

your mindless liberal stupidity has about the same effect too.

there should be no place in any society for such libertine behavior, especially in public.

Well I've seen some really ugly, and fat couples kiss; old couples kiss; I was kind of disgusted by it.  Maybe you will kick the living '(expletive)' out of them for me?

Chair gave almost exactly the response I was going to give.  You're angry because a fictional book reflects reality somewhat?  Maybe she modeled him after Sir Ian McKellen's Gandalf...

Ignorant hate.  Same tired arguments of racism, secularism, etc etc....  You just hate.  Why don't you move somewhere your hate still has some traction... maybe holocaust denier's like Iran's party of power will help you with your hateful goals.

[Charge]

"Honestly, it just baffles me why people care so much; I just don’t get it."

"Various psychoanalytic theories explain homophobia as a threat to an individual's own same-sex impulses or to a possibility of arising such impulses. This threat causes repression, denial or reaction formation."

Reasons and motivations can be so many, but that is certainly one -the fear and uncertainty of own sexual orientation. Many kids who live in societies with strict moral codes may attempt a suicide when they find out that they have homosexual feelings.

The other reason may be the projection of own insecurity and uncertainty and the target could be any other distinctive group of people e.g. of other social class, race, religion etc. Usually these people exercise their "hate" to bind more tightly themselves in their group by creating a common "enemy". It worked into extreme in Germany in the 30's and that behavioral model is shared with all western cultures and is seen in various degrees every day, and etc...blablabla....human nature...blablabla.....

-C+

[Shuckins]

BS

When one sees a psychoanalytic statement such as the above which is laced with qualifying words and phrases, the natural conclusion about said statement is that the author has very little proof, and is giving vent to his own biases.

It's more insult than argument.

Personally, I've always felt that the opposite was the truth:  That otherwise 'straight' men who attack the critics of the strident gay-rights crusade that is forcing its way into every aspect of modern life, are themselves harboring latent sexual urgings.

Nah, I don't really believe that.  But it's as valid an argument as the other.

Bottom line for me, I'd like our children to be allowed to enjoy their world of imagination and fantasy without seeing it invaded by smurking adults with a political or sexual agenda.  

Adult society, with its sick fascination with sex of all types, should be kept out of a child's world.

[storch]

Originally posted by eskimo2
Slightly off topic, but clearly related:

When I see or meet someone, I don’t think about: what their religion may be, what their race may be, what their favorite sports team may be or what their sexual orientation may be.  If I learn any of the above about a person, I certainly don’t get all huffy about it either…  Honestly, it just baffles me why people care so much; I just don’t get it.  

When you learn someone is gay, does your brain go into a weird automated mode and force itself to imagine them having sex?  If so, that must kind of suck (no pun intended).  I do find gay sex gross.  I also find sex between fat people gross as well.  In fact, a lot of hetero people do all kinds of things that I really don’t want to picture.  That being the case, I just don’t waste my time imagining pretty much anyone having sex.  

Or am I totally off here?  Can anyone explain why learning that someone is gay results in near instantaneous anger?

if the question is obliquely directed at me, my answer is that I couldn't care less what your sexual predeliction is nor your religion nor any other aspect of your life.  I regard a jehova's witnesses banging on my door on sunday morning almost as disturbing as two blukitties kissing in public.  

my point is this:

1. is homosexuality widely accepted as normal?  my answer is no it is not.  in fact homosexuality is widely regarded as abhorrent behavior.  

2. if one accepts the above to be generally true then why would a homosexual limit his or her own potential in business or in society by identifing himself as one for no good reason.

rant mode :

I have plenty of contact with homosexuals on both business and personal levels.  I had a cousin who was a flaming flamboyant homosexual.  he was witty, intelligent and genuinely a nice person.  he was also a deeply troubled man who I believe hated himself because of his homosexuality.  I enjoyed his company and he and his friends were always welcome in my home.  his train wreck of a life was short and a lion's share of his problems were brought on by his in your face homosexuality.

a good portion of my income comes from the fabrication of very ornate gates.  some of these gates are frilly with many facsimilies of flowers, pineapples and such ornamentation.  the majority of the people ordering this type of product are well heeled homosexuals.  my cousin was a very gifted illustrator and painter.  he would design these gates, draw the patterns for the ornamentation and we would cut and shape the pieces, fabricate the gates and he would hand paint them and make the work seem as though it had come to life.

he was associated with a group of artists who worked at an old holsum bakery complex turned artist's colony here in town called the bakehouse.  through his association with this group and my relation to him I have been able to continue in this lucrative line work with the help of many homosexuals who perform the work my cousin did for me.  many of them are the customer and they sell the product as though it were their own creation (which in fact from the design standpoint they are).

there isn't a day that goes by that I'm not shaking hands and dealing with at least one homosexual.  maybe some of my detractors on this BBS would agree that this type of a relationship would preclude one from being homophobic.  I'm not afraid of homosexuals, generally speaking contemptous would be the word that best fits my attitude towards homosexuals and homosexuality.  however I treat all people with respect until such a time as certain lines of accepted decorum are crossed.  I give respect and keep my views to myself and people generally do the same in return.  if in a social situation where a more relaxed atmosphere prevails, say over drinks and light conversation the topic surfaces I politely express my views and that will often lead to another form of polite conversation on other topics.

keep in mind that today I'm an old fat man.  a few years ago (1986 or so) I was appointed to meet a homosexual client at what turned out to be a gay bar.  my client was running late and this was before the advent of the mobile phone.  at this time in my life I was a buff young man of thirty.  the bartender kept hitting on me indirectly.  he kept asking me what my name for my manhood was and he was starting to annoy me a bit but I was out of my environment and felt completely uncomfortable. I was considering just leaving but I wanted to land the deal because it was sizable and I suspected that the client was testing me to a degree.  

at that moment my client showed up.  after a little watermelon chat with me the bartender comes up and chats with my client a bit then says to my client "your friend won't tell me his other name"  without skipping a beat my client says "oh I know, I'll tell you"  at this point I'm aghast and feel flush.  my client says "it's secret"  the bartender says "secret?"  my client responds with "yes secret, strong enough for a man but made for a woman"  (borrowing the line from a woman's deodorant commercial popular at the time) and winks at me.  we are still friends to this day and I have done five homes for him since that time.

[soda72]

Dumbledore is gay?

This could explain Voldemorts insane behavior maybe he had one to many private sessions with Dumbledore...

[Laurie]

If gays just got on with their shanagins in a quiet manner, there would be no problem. but they bring t it all on themselves when they rub peoples noses in it and go to great extremes to let everyone know thta theyre gay and proud. they almost seem to thrive off the the attention and publicity of being "gay".

[storch]

that is precisely my point.  who cares what you do to get your yayas?  it's your own business go on about it quietly.

[Apers]

Originally posted by Shuckins
In answer to the question "Did Dumbledore ever love anyone?" from a student at a book signing in New York, J. K. Rowling revealed that Albus Dumbledore was gay.

What a cheap, tawdry trick.  Why did she have to turn her popular children's story into the front line for political correctness?  Why can't a children's story just be a children's story?  


My own kids grew up with these stories.  Their reaction is one of disappointment, mingled with utter disgust.

Maybe she was just saying that to be a salamander? you know, to upset people like you?

It's not like the whole thing  will turn every child that reads harry potter gay.


also, fanfic writers will have a field day with this. lord knows there's gotta be at least 500,000,000,000 dumbledore x other male character slash out there. and now that his gayness is cannon it's only gonna get worse.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Laurie
If gays just got on with their shanagins in a quiet manner, there would be no problem. but they bring t it all on themselves when they rub peoples noses in it and go to great extremes to let everyone know thta theyre gay and proud. they almost seem to thrive off the the attention and publicity of being "gay".

Same w/ the christians, they bring all this stuff on them by wearing little cross necklaces or having the fish on their car.  They seem to thrive off the attention and publicity of being christian.

Does that analogy smell as sweet?

[Laurie]

same with the muslims and thier headscarves, and calls to prayer wich wake up the neighbourhood.

[Pooh21]

Originally posted by Charge
and etc...blablabla....human nature...blablabla.....

-C+

I already made this fact earlier and more succinctly. Go make up your own scientific data

Oh and Laurie he dont care as a tolerant and open minded individual he cannot resist taking a jab at Christianity every chance he gets.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Popcorn..............get your Popcorn!
Peanuts here.........Get your peanuts!
Lawn chair rentals.....get your lawn chairs!

You're going to get rich here lol.
A heck of a lot of sensitive types worrying about the 'sexuality' of a fictional character is rather ironic.

Move on folks, as one trying to prove they're not gay by how much they can't stand gays is, well, rather gay.

Jackal, any more popcorn left? What's for sale in the drinks dept?

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by storch
you don't need to teach anyone to be disgusted by homosexuality.  that comes naturally to normal people hence the non stop bombardment to the contrary by the people who would have you believe that homosexuality is anything but abhorrent behavior.  it seems to have worked on you pretty well.

Wow that's fluffied up Storch. Guess your normal huh...

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Mark Luper
How do you figure 1K3? You don't beleive that  news like that can be dissapointing and disgusting to some people? It is a natural reaction by most normal heterosexual people. Acceptance of what is not normal is what has to be taught.

Mark

P.S. Seems as though Storch beat me to it but I leave my post as it is written. I am in very much agreement.

It's not acceptance of what is not normal (apparently your're saying you are the judge of that) but acceptance of that which you do not understand is what should be taught. Which leads to the beautiful human trait of compassion and understanding. Which most of the religions in the world seem to be severly lacking.

If you don't want to understand then don't judge and most importantly, don't worry about it.