Author Topic: Out of the Closet (Read 2614 times)

eagl · « **Reply #60 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:40:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Now I gotta admit, I haven't read all the books, either. Which one was the one where Dumbledore got knocked up?

It's the one where Potter was getting into trouble and Dumbledore was never around. You remember, it's the one where every single thing Hagret told Potter to do resulted in Potter very nearly dying as a result of following Hagret's advice.

I think Hagret and Dumbledore had something going on, and they were just trying to keep Potter from hanging around and spoiling their quiet evenings together.

Arlo · « **Reply #61 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:49:18 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
for emphasis and to say ~~eagl thank you for saying it better than I can.~~

I got to this part:

"Nobody knows why gay people do that son, nobody really knows for sure.

I'm glad you aren't gay daddy, because then I wouldn't be alive."

And realized that never once has a gay man impregnated someone. Nor have they ever raised a son (or daughter). Nor have they ever lied. Even if they're a politician.

Leslie · « **Reply #62 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:50:46 PM »

Dumbledore is not real, so he can't do anything of his own free will. Basically he is a character created by the author in the story. He can only be as he appears in the story. Author's comments about they're own stories, especially stories that have achieved reknown, may be flippant if not carefully considered each and every time. Rowling is so famous, I think she is fed up with Harry Potter. In other words, Rowling probably gets asked this question so many times, it would be convenient to just say Dumbledorf is gay rather than go into explanations of why Dumbledorf, being a sorcerer, does not have sex... (doesn't have time, runs the school, too busy working on magic, deals with secret incantations, sex has a propensity to zap energy, no hot witches around, etc...)

Now remember Dumbledorf is a sorcerer, and sorcerers do not concern themselves with sex in stories such as Harry Potter. This is a children's book. Yep, it's gonna cause a lot of disappointment to loyal customers. Talk about confusing a kid who, in their mind's eye see a grandfatherly old man taking care of business around the school and such....and present some "hidden" character background which does not appear anywhere in the books. If Dumbledorf is gay, there should be some indication of it through the character presentation in the book at some point.

Well anyway, the author's comments were not well thought out but that's life. I gotta agree with the conservative posters here. Someone brought up a point about an author being free to say what they want about their work. They are free to say what they want, but to be scholarly it has to be justified by and within the work at hand. Can't pull character attributes out of a hat.

Les

Arlo · « **Reply #63 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:54:23 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Why not is not an answer. Of course I know you can't answer for her but don't you at least wonder what her motive was for doing so? I think she may have been miffed at Christians for denouncing her books as enticement to witchcraft. Perhaps she was just looking to poke 'em in the eye again? Maybe she finds homosexuals to be offensive, who knows?

Sure it is. It's answering your question with a question no less valid. I don't have to invent motives so I can justify feeling repugnance. You're whipping them up left and right. Is it possible your inventions are just that? Or is it "impossible?"

Shuckins · « **Reply #64 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:55:42 PM »

Ya know Ak, I listened to a former pastor of mine....a man who I lost all respect for because of his blustering, overbearing, caustic form of Christianity....blast Harry Potter, Halloween, and Celtic culture as being Satanic.

As I said, I lost all respect for the man. Not for what he believed, but for being a feather-headed twit with no imagination.

So, all Christians did not condemn the Harry Potter books. Many parents I have known loved them, because their children became engrossed in them, and through them, developed a love of reading.

Which was all to the good.

Yet, as I said at the start of this thread, Rowling cheapened that accomplishment with a cheap and tawdry trick. If she made the statement about Dumbledore to thumb her nose at his "Christian" critics, she is also a feather-headed twit, despite her literary talents.

Arlo · « **Reply #65 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:57:12 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Offended is not the same as being angry or resentful. There you go projecting your own feelings again.

Ok, I see you recanted the angry and resentful attribution. I already admitted that I find people who push a PC agenda to be offensive. Is it really a stretch to see this as a PC ploy on her part? Perhaps it's not but I've already explained why I see no other plausible explanation.

I understand you see no other plausible explanation. I saw no need to look for a plausible explanation to begin with. Dumbledore's her character. She said he's gay. No agenda neccessary.

JB73 · « **Reply #66 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:57:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
And realized that never once has a gay man impregnated someone. Nor have they ever raised a son (or daughter).

I have an "uncle" who did. fathered 3 cousins of mine, raised them... I guess you could say... for a while, then left to go be gay.

AKIron · « **Reply #67 on:** October 21, 2007, 12:03:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
Ya know Ak, I listened to a former pastor of mine....a man who I lost all respect for because of his blustering, overbearing, caustic form of Christianity....blast Harry Potter, Halloween, and Celtic culture as being Satanic.

As I said, I lost all respect for the man. Not for what he believed, but for being a feather-headed twit with no imagination.

So, all Christians did not condemn the Harry Potter books. Many parents I have known loved them, because their children became engrossed in them, and through them, developed a love of reading.

Which was all to the good.

Yet, as I said at the start of this thread, Rowling cheapened that accomplishment with a cheap and tawdry trick. If she made the statement about Dumbledore to thumb her nose at his "Christian" critics, she is also a feather-headed twit, despite her literary talents.

I know you didn't classify me with either and I didn't tell you where I stood on the subject of her books. Assuming the movies were true to the books I found them to be harmless with some qualities I value. Because of her "cheap trick", and not because she made Richard Harris gay, I won't pay to see any more of them.

Arlo · « **Reply #68 on:** October 21, 2007, 12:05:12 AM »

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I have an "uncle" who did. fathered 3 cousins of mine, raised them... I guess you could say... for a while, then left to go be gay.

He puts on his robe and wizard hat ....

(I'm sorry, couldn't resist)

Yeah, it happens. A close friend of mine's wife (father of his two oldest boys) decided she could no longer deny her lesbian feelings and broke to live so, openly. Ain't the typical but don't seem to be the oddity one would have assumed fifty years ago.

Arlo · « **Reply #69 on:** October 21, 2007, 12:06:49 AM »

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... and not because she made Richard Harris gay...

OMG! She made Richard Harris teh ghey?! That biotch!

AKIron · « **Reply #70 on:** October 21, 2007, 12:09:45 AM »

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OMG! She made Richard Harris teh ghey?! That biotch!

Now he's probably afraid to turn over in his grave.

Arlo · « **Reply #71 on:** October 21, 2007, 12:15:56 AM »

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Now he's probably afraid to turn over in his grave.

Oh ... that's just wrong!

Tac · « **Reply #72 on:** October 21, 2007, 12:17:17 AM »

Asked a 10yr old girl who'se a Potter fan (has all books, all movies, all games... and can recite every line from the movies..just freaky) he opinion on this.

Know what she said?

'Who cares? he's the old guy! I like Harry'

Sooo.. there you have it.

As long as its not one of the 3 main characters that gets flipped its all fiiine.

fd ski · « **Reply #73 on:** October 21, 2007, 12:44:50 AM »

it's a character in HER book, so is she likes, he can be a marsian.

Book doesn't start with butt f.....g orgy or a gay parade led by a old wizard, there is nothing in the book confirming it, just her words at a book signing.

Are you guys so pissed off because there are no gays in the world and having one in imaginary one makes is so much more less believable ?

Or were you planning to explain idea of homosexuality to your kids when they are 47 years old ? Or better yet, let them find out for themselves ?

Run, run, studmuffins are everywhere and its contagious !!!

rpm · « **Reply #74 on:** October 21, 2007, 01:16:39 AM »

...and in the end he looked back on the horizon. After all the sacrifice and hardship, after all the emotion and conviction, the blood, sweat and tears, he sadly acknowledged how pointless it all had suddenly become.

The O'Club has a Harry Potter thread.