General Climate Discussion

[Viking]

Originally posted by Curval
It snowed and you are showing your ignorance in assuming one day of snow makes GW a myth...

1970's Global Cooling™©® / 1980's Hole In The Ozone Layer™©® / 1990's Global Warming™©® / today's Climate Change™©® is a myth ... or more precisely, a theory ... or more accurately, a scam.

[lazs2]

more and more people are realizing this.

lazs

[SkyRock]

There are many things in the past that have triggered catastrophic weather changes, only morons would think that man won't!:aok

[Jackal1]

Global Climate Change......OWNS<-----------------Skyrock.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by SkyRock
There are many things in the past that have triggered catastrophic weather changes, only morons would think that man won't!:aok

Many things? What catastrophic weather change? Triggered by what?


...-Gixer

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by lazs2
(everyone got the same rebate.. good or bad) and they stopped development because the goal was to screw the cash cow while you could.




lazs

No, screwing the "cash cow" was the US invasion of Iraq.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by MORAY37
No, screwing the "cash cow" was the US invasion of Iraq.

Yes but in doing so they got their hands on an even bigger cash cow. Iraqi Oil! Unfortunetly thing's didn't quite go as planned and they haven't been able to fully open that treasure chest, but it's only a matter of time.

And with oil at $100 a barrel plus, it's a great future investment and will make the money spent to date on the war small change.


...-Gixer

[Reschke]

"Something must be changing the ocean to trigger such changes," said Rignot, a senior scientist with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "We believe it is related to global climate forcing."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22643132/

On this same subject we had dinner Saturday with a family friend who just left a research job with NASA was working on research data from satellites and comparing it with ice core and wetland core samples from thousands of years ago. His words to us at the dinner table were; "This sort of S*** just happens and we couldn't stop it if we tried." BTW he worked at the NASA facility in Huntsville, AL

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Reschke
"Something must be changing the ocean to trigger such changes," said Rignot, a senior scientist with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "We believe it is related to global climate forcing."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22643132/

On this same subject we had dinner Saturday with a family friend who just left a research job with NASA was working on research data from satellites and comparing it with ice core and wetland core samples from thousands of years ago. His words to us at the dinner table were; "This sort of S*** just happens and we couldn't stop it if we tried." BTW he worked at the NASA facility in Huntsville, AL

Exactly ... we haven't been around long enough and kept records long enough to make a valid statement as to what is really happening. We could actually be going thru a climate phase that is not within our scope to comprehend, but may have happened thousands of times over the past 4 BILLION years.

IMHO ... Global warming is nothing but hype by those who need to justify their "scientific" existence to keep getting paid or receive grant money to keep the wheels turning.

Who knows ... if we stop doing what we are doing ... we might just cause another Ice Age ... I'd rather be warm than freezing cold.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Exactly ... we haven't been around long enough and kept records long enough to make a valid statement as to what is really happening. We could actually be going thru a climate phase that is not within our scope to comprehend, but may have happened thousands of times over the past 4 BILLION years.

IMHO ... Global warming is nothing but hype by those who need to justify their "scientific" existence to keep getting paid or receive grant money to keep the wheels turning.

Who knows ... if we stop doing what we are doing ... we might just cause another Ice Age ... I'd rather be warm than freezing cold.

Stop making sense.  Gore and the Clinton's will have you killed.

[Arlo]

If you have your mind made up that it doesn't exist ... or that it does and nothing can (or should) be done ... or you can't make up your mind between the two but you just know .... deep down ... one rationalization or the other has to be clung to at any given moment or the fabric of your reality will be forever torn (the "worst thing" imaginable) .... avoid clicking here at all costs.

Here, as well.

And here.

And here, too.

Another.

Disclaimer: If you didn't want to see or hear it and you clicked anyway, the poster takes no responsibility for rise in blood pressure, loss of hair, broken keyboards, spousal or child or pet abuse, carpal tunnel syndrome or hyper-excitability on the part of the person or persons electing to ignore the plainly stated warnings. All sales final. Product offered, as is. Additional side effects may include (but are not limited to): illumination, revelation, loss of self absorbtion, compassion, eco-activism, a change of lifestyle, responsibility and reduction of emmisions.

The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled in the last 30 years.

Malaria has spread to higher altitudes in places like the Colombian Andes, 7,000 feet above sea level.

The flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland has more than doubled over the past decade.

At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.

If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.

Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.

Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.
 
Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense.

Droughts and wildfires will occur more often.

The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.

More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.

You didn't see that. Hype is all.

Hehe

[SlapShot]

The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled in the last 30 years.

And maybe 300 years ago, Cat 4 and 5 hurricanes was triple the amount in the last 30 years ... sadly to say ... no one kept track back then and weather satellites hadn't been invented yet.

Malaria has spread to higher altitudes in places like the Colombian Andes, 7,000 feet above sea level.

Could it be due to it's genetic evolution ?

The flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland has more than doubled over the past decade.

And maybe 1000 years ago ... it did the same thing.

At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.

Could that have also happened 600 years ago ?

If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.

WOW ... there is some hard core stuff ... I guess I'll change my mind.

Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.

What deaths are actually attributable to global warming ?

Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.

Then I guess maybe then I just might be able to live on the ocean.

Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense.

Some more hard core stuff there.

Droughts and wildfires will occur more often.

Yet again ...

The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.

Operative word here is "could" ... which means it's a guess.

More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.

Again ... another "could" statement ... so they "could" be wrong.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by SlapShot

And maybe 300 years ago ...

Could it be .... ?

And maybe ....

Could that have .... ?

WOW ...

What deaths are actually attributable to global warming ?

Overall or just due to heat?

"The number of people killed by heat waves between 2000 and 2006, for example, reached 52,000 while during the whole decade of the 1970s this figure was around 800 people."

And since global warming actually is a climate change that involves a degree of oscillation:

"Even though the human costs of cold spells are not as high as heat waves, it has also increased 20-fold in the last 35 years from around 300 people being killed by cold waves in the 1970s to almost 7,000 between 2000 and 2006."

And more "guesses" here (again, don't click if your mind is already made up and you're prone to just getting upset at the ecoloonies for speaking up):

http://hdr.undp.org/en/reports/global/hdr2007-2008/papers/carvajal_liliana.pdf

It's U.N. originated, though.

Originally posted by SlapShot

Then I guess ....

Some more hard core stuff there.

Yet again ...

Operative word here is "could" ...

Again ... another "could" statement ...

Don't say I didn't warn ya.

Ahem .... when rationalizing .... one way or the other .... a wise man would "err" conservatively* (especially if the future of his children may be at stake).

*Meaning, in this case, erring on the side of caution versus dismissing on the side of profit.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Gixer
Heaven forbid it might actually cause more damage to the atmosphere than fossil fuels  

...-Gixer

The "Sky Is Falling" sheeples do not like to hear this and they also will not consider that you can`t start at point D with anything.
The manufacturing of most of these so called earth saving proposals would set us back a few hundred years, pollutionwise to begin with.
And don`t even mention where big industry will end up when regs get too tight.
In reality, not much will change due to the latest doomsdayers since they are falling off the cart like a wagon overloaded with melons.
As usual, the fad will die. In the meantime it will cost a few folks, but in the end it will amount to nothing but the scam it is.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Jackal1
As usual, the fad will die. In the meantime it will cost a few folks, but in the end it will amount to nothing but the scam it is.

In the mean time Al Gore will be shopping for a much bigger house with a mantle good enough to stick his Nobel Prize on...  


...-Gixer