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Offline john9001

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1095 on: January 01, 2008, 02:34:24 PM »
i say old boy, how many tonnies does that lorry hold?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1096 on: January 01, 2008, 04:20:24 PM »
A one-and-a-half-deuce.

Oh, probably misspelled :D

A juice-and-a-half?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1097 on: January 01, 2008, 07:10:03 PM »
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So, stop posting :t


Why in the hell would I want to do that and spoil all the fun?  :rofl
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Offline Holden McGroin

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1098 on: January 01, 2008, 08:25:11 PM »
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I'll clear it up for you, and explain what he meant.

Louis was simply stating that you, Holden, certainly act like you know it all.  You pick apart every post with your vast knowledge, and cunning reparte.  We are mere mortals to your godliness.



Didn't you accuse me of personal attacks?

Good to see you are beyond reproach.

By the way, the Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation is a theory?

It works much better than ALL the global climate models out there.  It can predict to within several decimal places what will happen in the future.

Einsteins modifications refine the prediction even better.

Show me a climate model that gets anywhere close to the confidence of gravitation, and you may have a point.  Otherwise you're just wasting time.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1099 on: January 01, 2008, 08:32:12 PM »
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Didn't you accuse me of personal attacks?

Good to see you are beyond reproach.

By the way, the Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation is a theory?

It works much better than ALL the global climate models out there.  It can predict to within several decimal places what will happen in the future.

Einsteins modifications refine the prediction even better.

Show me a climate model that gets anywhere close to the confidence of gravitation, and you may have a point.  Otherwise you're just wasting time.


I never said I was beyond reproach... I have said repeatedly that I'm sick of your crap.

Yep, because Newton's "law"  cannot be tested properly and proven beyond reproach.  Hence, it is a "theory"..... although it is an amazingly accurate one.  Besides, since when is a law refineable, scientifically? I mean, Avogadro's law has never been refined....Why exactly do you think Einstein "refined" it?  

hint: he was trying to prove it.
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Offline Holden McGroin

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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1100 on: January 01, 2008, 08:53:13 PM »
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I never said I was beyond reproach... I have said repeatedly that I'm sick of your crap.

Yep, because Newton's "law"  cannot be tested properly and proven beyond reproach.  Hence, it is a "theory"..... although it is an amazingly accurate one.  Besides, since when is a law refineable, scientifically? I mean, Avogadro's law has never been refined....Why exactly do you think Einstein "refined" it?  

hint: he was trying to prove it.


What do they call it when you criticize in someone else the very thing that you are doing?  Hyp.... hypoc... something...

You also said you wern't going to debate with me anymore, and that statement was apparently hollow.

So you agree that gravitation is an amazingly accurate theory, even though it's called "Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation".

OK I'll give you that one.  Still, is there a climate model that is even in the same neighborhood?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1101 on: January 02, 2008, 04:55:01 AM »
Gravity is yet an unexplained force.
And Jacka1, - I get your point, - why spoil the fun :D
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1102 on: January 02, 2008, 05:14:40 AM »
Question...would setting a few Nukes off say, in the middle east area cause enough of a shock wave to move us away from the sun, therefore lowering the temp abit and stop all this warming nonsense.... I'm just asking.  :p
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1103 on: January 02, 2008, 06:27:27 AM »
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Gravity is yet an unexplained force.


okay.  But it can be quantified.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1104 on: January 02, 2008, 06:39:12 AM »
Rather accurately yes, however not completely ;)

As for the Nukes, if they get nuked where there is more than sand, say urban areas and lots of stuff to burn, well with enough soot that wil cause measurable global dimming and the result is cooling.
And then you don't have so many humans either :t
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1105 on: January 03, 2008, 09:24:33 AM »
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OK I'll give you that one.  Still, is there a climate model that is even in the same neighborhood?


Serious issues in logic stream there, Holden.  

There might be...how can we know?  It takes time to prove out models, and the experimental design is limited by the time period it takes to "proof" the model.  Besides, the ideology isn't looking to one model in particular for answers....Just like the hurricane forecasters use multiple models to get a better picture of a hurricane's course, climatologists are using many models (and many runs of those models) to get a better grip on direction of climate.

I find it quite interesting that many predictions made by those inept climatologists are seemingly coming to fruition...  Namely, large extremes in weather.  Many of them were saying that it wasn't all warming, but rather larger examples of extremes... Extreme hots and colds, dryness and sudden large amounts of precip.. The southeast missed it's driest year in recorded times by a hundredth of an inch...  The Pacific Northwest is expecting it's largest recorded snowfall ever this week... 4 feet.

Where is all this energy coming from?  Your thoughts?
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1106 on: January 03, 2008, 10:13:15 AM »
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Question...would setting a few Nukes off say, in the middle east area cause enough of a shock wave to move us away from the sun, therefore lowering the temp abit and stop all this warming nonsense.... I'm just asking.  :p


Well if you wait until after dark and the position of detonation is exactly opposite that of the sun it's conceivable that the detonations would push us CLOSER to the sun.  

:O :O :O :noid
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1107 on: January 03, 2008, 11:34:46 AM »
I'm amazed this thread is still going. I'm not going to read 45 pages of it either. The topic has probably turned into half a dozen diffrent topics by now.

One thing I will say, is I know there are many people on the forum whom still refuse to believe that humans can affect this planet on a global scale. Much less fix it if we did.

Then it came to me, we have already done it and we have already fixed it once in the last 20 years.

Anyone remember the hole in the ozone? That was a serious global issue caused by chemicals that man produced. Back in the early 80's the US took the lead and said we need to fix this, because if we don't we are all dead.

Guess what 20 years later we have for the most part fixed it.

So those of you that still stick your head in the sand and claim man can't effect the Earth.. Well you are wrong and history and science can and has already proven we did it.

There is all the proof in the world, but if you choose to ignore it by sticking your head in the sand. Well then nothing will ever change your mind because you aren't actually willing to have your mind changed.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1108 on: January 03, 2008, 11:39:26 AM »
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
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Re: General Climate Discussion
« Reply #1109 on: January 03, 2008, 12:01:41 PM »
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My cat's breath smells like cat food.


Global Tunarising.
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