Author Topic: Gun Free Campus Protest (Read 2666 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #105 on:** October 27, 2007, 02:25:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Trell
We will have to agree to disagree.
If thieves were smart they would not be thieves.

it seems the criminal shooters always go to a place of business or a school (gun free zones), i have never heard of one going to a gun range to kill people.

but i state the obvious, bad guy start shooting people at a gun range, bad guy will be dead very quickly.

Bodhi · « **Reply #106 on:** October 27, 2007, 02:27:14 PM »

I think that this data here :

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_bur_percap-crime-burglaries-per-capita

could also indicate that nations with less gun ownership have higher chances of crime per capita.

By this graph alone, it indicates that Australians (with some of the strictest gun control in the world) are three times more likely to be the victims of a burglars than in the US. Almost two times as likely to be a victim in the UK as well.

Arguing gun control with any one from another country is pointless. They have no right to tell you how to do it in your country, and we have no right on how to tell them to do it in theirs....

BTW, Hi again Beatle.

Bronk · « **Reply #107 on:** October 27, 2007, 02:35:07 PM »

Someone is safe till Monday I'm guessing.

john9001 · « **Reply #108 on:** October 27, 2007, 02:35:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Ocean27
I'm not talking about "gun control". I'm talking about "armed societies" versus "unarmed societies".

switzerland is a "armed society", i think you should look for other factors for the cause of high crime.

lazs2 · « **Reply #109 on:** October 27, 2007, 02:41:24 PM »

beet.. not sure what you are driving at.. if restrictive gun laws don't stop people from killing each other then what does?

mexico has strict gun laws but they are ignored.. you have strict gun laws but... your sheeple won't even eat or drink in a car if the queen tells em not to... it is the people not the gun laws... as I have said over and over... anyone in any country that wants a gun can get one.. anyone with the skill to open a bottle of wine can make one.. The small percent of the population who are committing most of the homicides here will ignore any law.

It was not guns that were mentioned... only homicides. We are far from the worst.. countries with very strict gun laws are worse... some with very lax gun laws are very low.

Same for suicides... the US is far down on the list yet... half our gun deaths are simple suicides.. yet Japan has almost twice as many... UK is about the same with some places more and some less... Sweden, finland, france... all have much higher rates. lack of guns does not seem to deter suicide... not to mention some former soviet states with real ugly gun laws and suicides in the stratosphere.

It may not say much for us that we have a larger percent of violent people here than maybe england but... we are a much more diverse and vibrant society... I would say a few more homicides per 100,000 than a bland and lifeless socialist country is a small price to pay... not to mention... it is immoral to take away anyones right to defend himself.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #110 on:** October 27, 2007, 03:05:13 PM »

yep... and no minorities. It simply proves our case and not yours. It is indeed possible to allow people to have firearms without them going crazy on killing sprees with said firearms...

It is also possible (as the stats show) to have very restrictive gun laws and have the society be the most murderous on the planet...

In our case.. we have a small portion of people who are murderous.. like the same type of people in other countries... they will kill... guns are convienient but.. they will either get them illegally or.. simply kill some other way. just like in the countries I have shown.

Soooo.. for a US citizen.. we have the choice..

us unarmed vs them armed.. we lose

Us armed vs them unarmed... we win

Us unarmed them unarmed... most likely.. they win.

Have you seen the video of our gone to feral minorities during flood fire famine or... bad result for a basketball game?

It is only sensible that we be prepared for such things.. It is essential that we be able to defend ourselves. the stats don't lie... the FBI realizes that we have to do this millions of times a year.

I shudder to think what some of those confrontations would have been like had not the bad guy confronted an armed citizen.

It simply works for us... your laws work for you.... for now.

As your population gets more diverse and less hidebound by sheeple brit tradition.. it simply will not work for you anymore. the bad guys will walk all over you and you will be powerless.

lazs

BiGBMAW · « **Reply #111 on:** October 27, 2007, 03:17:22 PM »

Society IS Safer When Criminals Do NOt Know who is Armed.....

Crok...I never said ARM all citizens...Becuase we know the Limp wristed Linguini spine types...are scared and rely on Gov to save them

lazs2 · « **Reply #112 on:** October 27, 2007, 03:29:00 PM »

ahh beet... so you were their once in a few places and never seen a gun so.. it must be true that they don't exist.

the shooting sports are very big there.. during such times I believe that guns are everywhere including resteraunts.. but.. that aside.. anyone who had wanted to bump off a brit tourist with a full auto assault rife would not have had much trouble putting their hands on one now would they?

lazs

crockett · « **Reply #113 on:** October 27, 2007, 05:40:51 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
So in short crockett is not a anti gun nut, he just wants "reasonable" gun laws.

like in pre nazi germany , to prevent crime it was reasonable to have all german citizens register their guns. So when the nazis took over they had all the gun lists and just went around and collected the guns.

Honestly point out what I suggested that would be unreasonable? I didn't say hunting rifles or even assault rifles should be tracked. I left those out of the equation just for this simple fact.

1) Rifles no matter if they are hunting or Assault are not the cause of most gun related crimes. Hence the reason they don't need any special conditions IMO. Other than of course no full auto.

2) I believe that citizens should have arms that a govt doesn't know about. I don't think the govt needs to know about every gun. A citizen run militia is one of the building blocks of the 2nd amendment that I fully support.

I spoke of restriction for hand guns only. Simply because IMO a hand gun should always be considered a concealable weapon. HG's are also the most common fire arm used in crimes.

Hence the reason I say they should be tracked and require a license. HG's are the main problem when it comes to gun deaths.

Now lets just assume it's Nazi Germany all over again in.. You think you are going to take down the evil storm troopers with your HK45 or Glock 19? No if it came down to fighting against a rogue govt or an invasion you would be fighting with Assault rifles and hunting rifles.

So assuming the evil gvt came around to take away all the HG's that were licenced. Well they still wouldn't have a clue as to how many Hunting or Assault rifles that were out there. The people could still defend themselves.

gpwurzel · « **Reply #114 on:** October 27, 2007, 05:53:13 PM »

As your population gets more diverse and less hidebound by sheeple brit tradition.. it simply will not work for you anymore. the bad guys will walk all over you and you will be powerless.

lazs2

Sorry to break it to ya Laz, but thats happening here already (or maybe I'm just too cynical or something) The sooner I get out of this country, the better.

Wurzel

Trell · « **Reply #115 on:** October 27, 2007, 05:54:25 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
it seems the criminal shooters always go to a place of business or a school (gun free zones), i have never heard of one going to a gun range to kill people.

but i state the obvious, bad guy start shooting people at a gun range, bad guy will be dead very quickly.

Yes they seem to go to places where they spend most of their time as well as the place that hosts a lot of emotion for them

Dont know anyone that spends many hours a day interacting with people at a gun range...

I didnt know that business places are gun free zones, guess I missed the sign.

john9001 · « **Reply #116 on:** October 27, 2007, 06:51:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Trell
Yes they seem to go to places where they spend most of their time as well as the place that hosts a lot of emotion for them

Dont know anyone that spends many hours a day interacting with people at a gun range...

I didnt know that business places are gun free zones, guess I missed the sign.

then you agree that anyone with a CCW should be able to carry a gun anywhere.

Trell · « **Reply #117 on:** October 27, 2007, 06:59:20 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
then you agree that anyone with a CCW should be able to carry a gun anywhere.

I said that earlier here. Read back a few pages

And i do mean everywhere. Court houses, goverment buildings, police stations. schools.

I also believe that if people with ccw license and some basic training were at the schools and workplace there would be less deaths in these rampages.

But i also believe that these crazys would still have gone there for the attempted rampage. As we have seen with the school and workplace shooting death is not a deterrent for these nuts.

Trell · « **Reply #118 on:** October 27, 2007, 07:05:17 PM »

Know a few People from Switzerland that never touched guns,
From what they told me other then military training they do not really shoot them for fun. its just not done there.
But Us in the states seem to have more hobbies then other countries.

john9001 · « **Reply #119 on:** October 27, 2007, 07:10:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Trell
Know a few People from Switzerland that never touched guns,
From what they told me other then military training they do not really shoot them for fun. its just not done there.
But Us in the states seem to have more hobbies then other countries.

do not confuse shooting a gun for fun with carrying a gun for protection.