Stem Cell Breakthrough!

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Viking
Good. If secularist belief systems can out pace Islam humanity's future might be ok.

I think that the most visible elements of Islam are doing a very good job of promoting atheism worldwide.

[AKIron]

Oh sure, athiestic governments never murdered anyone. Well, except for a few tens of millions, but who's keeping score?

[Neubob]

I'm not trying to absolve atheism of anything, I'm just saying that if there's an anti-religious movement worldwide, Islam is probably doing its fair share in promoting this thinking.

And sure, I guess it would benefit people to remember the days of Stalin, but when they're bombarded, daily, by very hard to forget acts of religious zealousness, the issue becomes a little bit more immediate and they may tend to react instinctively rather than rationally.

[Viking]

Originally posted by AKIron
Oh sure, athiestic governments never murdered anyone. Well, except for a few tens of millions, but who's keeping score?

It's not like Christian or Islamic governments have had any qualms about killing people, and I think a few million more will be killed before we all finally accept each other's existence and live in some form of peace. Mostly Muslims I think.

[AKIron]

Here's a wacko argument shaping up now:

Letting states decide and fund their own research direction will undermine the federal government.


"If the field turns more attention to ips cells under the umbrella of federal oversight, we may once again become the United States of Science as opposed to the Confederate States of Science," said R. Alta Charo, a professor of law and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin at Madison.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/21/AR2007112102103.html?hpid=topnews



Yes, I added my own twist to this. I do understand this guy is saying that the new research may allow for federal funding taking stem cell research from the states.

[LePaul]

Here's another point to ponder, in this case the cloning issues that Bush vetoed.  

What I find truly distasteful is when the liberal candidates stand before an audience, stand near a diasbled/paralyzed person and have the gall to say that if we had embryonic stem cell research, this person could walk again.

Such claims are happily appluaded away and are made talking points in various campaigns.

Yet they are never held accountable for making such boldly false claims.

How is it celebrities, like Gore, Michael J Fox and others who spout such things get a "pass"?  Why doesn't the media challenge such things?  And those who do, are largely ignored?

[culero]

Getting back to the original subject, when will I be able to sign up to buy a programmable Nicole Kidman clone?

[Neubob]

Originally posted by culero
Getting back to the original subject, when will I be able to sign up to buy a programmable Nicole Kidman clone?

As soon as they pressure wash all the Tom Cruise spunk out of the original.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by LePaul
Here's another point to ponder, in this case the cloning issues that Bush vetoed.  

What I find truly distasteful is when the liberal candidates stand before an audience, stand near a diasbled/paralyzed person and have the gall to say that if we had embryonic stem cell research, this person could walk again.

Such claims are happily appluaded away and are made talking points in various campaigns.

Yet they are never held accountable for making such boldly false claims.

How is it celebrities, like Gore, Michael J Fox and others who spout such things get a "pass"?  Why doesn't the media challenge such things?  And those who do, are largely ignored?

Such it is with politics. All parties are guilty but some more gullible than others.

[Shuckins]

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2006/08/policy_toward_s.html

For those who continue to believe the hype from the hand-wringers that stem-cell research is starved for funds because of the federal government's tight-fisted funding policy, consider the following:

In 2004 the people of California voted for a proposal that would route 3 billion dollars in state monies for stem-cell research;

A study cited in the link above shows that, up to a point, for every dollar the federal government ear-marked for such research, a similar amount is lost from private donations;

Since tens of billions of dollars are being spent on this research in Great Britain, Singapore, France, and other countries, funded by their governments as well as private sources, why does it matter that the U.S. government chooses to route monies to other desperately needed research fiels in medicine?

[GovtFlu]

Originally posted by LePaul
Here's another point to ponder, in this case the cloning issues that Bush vetoed.  

What I find truly distasteful is when the liberal candidates stand before an audience, stand near a diasbled/paralyzed person and have the gall to say that if we had embryonic stem cell research, this person could walk again.

Such claims are happily appluaded away and are made talking points in various campaigns.

Yet they are never held accountable for making such boldly false claims.

How is it celebrities, like Gore, Michael J Fox and others who spout such things get a "pass"?  Why doesn't the media challenge such things?  And those who do, are largely ignored?

I've never seen anyone say with 100% certainty that stem cell research will without a doubt lead to medical miracles.

However my doc tells me stem cell research is one of, if not "the", best hope for living breathing people like me within the next 10 years...  I'll personally slaughter 1000 Petrie dishs full of cell-children, with glee, to help repair the nerve damage in my arm... those cells don't suffer every day waiting for medical science advancements, the people on stage do.

I stay as far away from religions / religious people as I can, I wish they'd afford me the same courtesy. I cant go to the abortion clinic or see my doc without some mythical opinion matter getting in my way... or worse, in my face.

Funny thing is, to me, I'll bet that stem cell research could help those tongue speaking / funky chicken convulsion people in Borat lead normal lives....

[AKIron]

Originally posted by GovtFlu
I've never seen anyone say with 100% certainty that stem cell research will without a doubt lead to medical miracles.

However my doc tells me stem cell research is one of, if not "the", best hope for living breathing people like me within the next 10 years...  I'll personally slaughter 1000 Petrie dishs full of cell-children, with glee, to help repair the nerve damage in my arm... those cells don't suffer every day waiting for medical science advancements, the people on stage do.

I stay as far away from religions / religious people as I can, I wish they'd afford me the same courtesy. I cant go to the abortion clinic or see my doc without some mythical opinion matter getting in my way... or worse, in my face.

Funny thing is, to me, I'll bet that stem cell research could help those tongue speaking / funky chicken convulsion people in Borat lead normal lives....

Too bad your mother didn't save you that pain with a quick trip to your favorite abortion clinic.

[GovtFlu]

Originally posted by Shuckins
http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/archives/2006/08/policy_toward_s.html

For those who continue to believe the hype from the hand-wringers that stem-cell research is starved for funds because of the federal government's tight-fisted funding policy, consider the following:

In 2004 the people of California voted for a proposal that would route 3 billion dollars in state monies for stem-cell research;

A study cited in the link above shows that, up to a point, for every dollar the federal government ear-marked for such research, a similar amount is lost from private donations;

Since tens of billions of dollars are being spent on this research in Great Britain, Singapore, France, and other countries, funded by their governments as well as private sources, why does it matter that the U.S. government chooses to route monies to other desperately needed research fiels in medicine?

This dude answered your question, the research is going on anyway, all over the world.. the voters of Cali, however, have been obstructed by litigation from the wackos.

It looks like the objections of whoever don't hold much water in the world... these folks need to admit defeat, and let the researchers / doctors do their job with public $$ the people have voted for... I'm sure they have plenty of other issues to protest / obstruct in court... in the name of the lord.

Our fed .gov is accomplishing nothing but scoring political points with some extreme party faction, which is more important that science, of course...yeeehaw. Said faction is accomplishing little more than obstructing the will of the people here in Cali.

It might mean people like me have to fly to Singapore for treatment?.. oh yea, sounds peachy... but I'd rather drive 30 min to UCLA and be home for lunch.

[GovtFlu]

Originally posted by AKIron
Too bad your mother didn't save you that pain with a quick trip to your favorite abortion clinic.

Speaking of my favorite one, last time I was there, I swear the cuddly little aborted fella laying peacefully next to the ruler... looked like me!

I was of course offended at being shown a poster sized pic of a naked child.

[mentalguy]

Originally posted by AKIron
Too bad your mother didn't save you that pain with a quick trip to your favorite abortion clinic.

Typical answer. I just have to say that research like this will sure as hell get us alot  further in life than prayer.