Author Topic: What is a Militia? (Read 19975 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #180 on:** November 25, 2007, 09:47:48 AM »

arlo.. you are right.. the more ridiculous you get with your comparissons the easier it is to see how foolish you are. cars can't be compared but.. anyone can buy a car. he needs nothing but cash. It can be given to him by anyone for any reason. He can have as many as he wants and never tell anyone in government. still want to compare? How bout the horror of the (gasp) M16!!!! you act like it is a poison snake thousands of men carry them with them to church and school and the bathroom every day with no problems whatsoever.

I would prefer a handgun tho for light social work with the m16 or whatever home in the gun safe MOST of the time.. but I would prefer that it be my choice and not yours.

cars are hundreds of times more dangerous than guns... you could never learn to operate one safely by reading a half a dozen rules for instance.. A chain saw is more complex than a firearm...

It is true that the same people who want to raise taxes for socialist reasons want gun control. the gun control thing is split almost perfectly along party lines. pretty insane to pretend it is not. I believe it is probly not much more than the fact that the democrats these days represent the taxi riding loafer wearing city metrosexuals who fear guns.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #181 on:** November 25, 2007, 09:55:10 AM »

bingalong... I don't think it is too much to ask if you are from this country or not. I think it sheds light on the arguement and... gives me a point of reference.. If all you know about semi autos and handguns is what you have read or seen in movies for instance.. it gives you a distorted view.

I believe that I have argued all the points you have made. I don't really think your points hold water. Please tell me where you think I am wrong.

But... I am intrigued by your comment... Why do you think the timing is no coincidence?

I was a little shocked.. I am sure that the gun grabbers would have wanted to wait till they had more liberal socialist revisionists on the SC.. this seems an odd time... also... The democrats are going to have to work hard to appear moderate this election... this will blow em out of the water.. how will they dodge gun control questions? even the lefty media is gonna have a hard time ignoring the case. The democrats are gonna have to show their stripes and I don't think most of America is going to like it.. some people comfortable in their blueness are going to squirm and realize a vote for the dems is a vote to lose rights.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #182 on:** November 25, 2007, 10:01:56 AM »

and... this is the way I see it. There is nothing by the founders that would indicate that the second was anything but an individual right.. They absolutely meant it to be one and for any type of personal defense.

Be that right or wrong.. be that outdated or merely brilliant and timeless....

That is what it was meant to be at the time.

My take is that the sc needs to affirm that it was meant to be that.

My take is that if the PEOPLE don't like that.. if they now think that man has changed so much that we are not in danger of tyranny from within or without or that no criminals exist anymore... then fine.. there is a mechanism that was put in the constitution for change.

That mechanism is not by distorting what the constitution says through some liberal court who tries to "modernize" it.

Let the gun grabbers have the guts to do it the right way.

lazs

Bingolong · « **Reply #183 on:** November 25, 2007, 12:09:07 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
bingalong... I don't think it is too much to ask if you are from this country or not. I think it sheds light on the arguement and... gives me a point of reference.. If all you know about semi autos and handguns is what you have read or seen in movies for instance.. it gives you a distorted view.

You have a distorted view! I live right here in the good ole USofA.

I fall in the same category as Hap I guess. owned them, now dont.
among them:
Mossburg 500 pump
Ithaca .22 lever SS
Remington .22 semi
My fathers M1 30carbine "Genral motors 1943"
Glenfield/Marlin 30A 30/30
and a Freedom Arms Casul .454 71/2" w/ a 4x4 leupold on top with pachmiers.

Puts that to bed!

"I believe that I have argued all the points you have made. I don't really think your points hold water. Please tell me where you think I am wrong."

Ah you think I'm a lefty well im not a righty either.
I like to think of my self as a Demican or a Republicrat
The laws and judgements maybe?
So far you have not shown me one law/act/article/amendment that supports the way you think only tried to attack mine with your version/interpretation of existing law... which amounts to nothing.

"But... I am intrigued by your comment... Why do you think the timing is no coincidence?"

Well I think one of two things will happen,
1. they want to make sure the SC address this before they are removed from office making sure the 2nd stays in tact.
2. Or, something to to do with the patriot act and more rights get taken away.
Never can tell with those "rightys".
Either way its being addressed now before the Democrats take over the WH.

I see the 9th is not real just a bunch of sissy "lefty" blowhards who's opinion means nothing... hehe okay lazs:rolleyes:

Arlo · « **Reply #184 on:** November 25, 2007, 02:56:55 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
arlo.. you are right.. (and he shoulda stopped there but the ocd whine mode kicked in).

Unknot the wet panties, Lassie. I'm all for the "God-given one-man citizen militia M-16 program." Better than blood-sweat-and-tears American tax dollars being spent on stem cell research or something less useful, eh? I'm not scared of M-16s. Hell, they're easy to break down, clean and put back together. Lighter than most sporting rifles. Can shoot more ducks with a pull of the trigger. And ... well ... God mandated I get one.

Handguns are militia useless. Maybe easier to put to your temple and cheat the government of the satisfaction when they're breaking in the door to take your liberty away, though.

I'm not scared of chainsaws, either. Still militia useless. Except for building log cabin fortresses to inbreed in the mountains with.

True that the same (fill in the people who have a different political outlook than you) all want to do the same (fill in the perception of the same evil thing you fear them doing to you)? Sorry, Lassie, life really is more complicated than you want it to be.

Sure thought you'd be all for it. Hell, you're more fickle and less temperate than most women I know.

Arlo · « **Reply #185 on:** November 25, 2007, 03:14:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Bingolong

I fall in the same category as Hap I guess. owned them, now dont.
among them:
Mossburg 500 pump
Ithaca .22 lever SS
Remington .22 semi
My fathers M1 30carbine "Genral motors 1943"
Glenfield/Marlin 30A 30/30
and a Freedom Arms Casul .454 71/2" w/ a 4x4 leupold on top with pachmiers.

The gun I miss mostest:

(Closest equivalent pic I could find online. I was never the one to take glamour pics of my guns)

I balanced it, treated the spring, filed the sight and smoothed the hammerhorn. Hefty. Fun toy. Dangerous tool. *sigh*

Had an M1A1 myself. As well as a British .303 with a modified sport stock and a Winchester lever-action 30-30.

EagleDNY · « **Reply #186 on:** November 25, 2007, 03:51:12 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Of course the citizens of the US really wouldn't have to fire a shot to bring our government to it's knees. All we really need is an organized tax revolt.

You got that right. Imagine the effect of 10 million or so small business owners refusing to file their taxes and send in the checks to the feds for one year. What if they just choked the system to death by filing 10 million extension requests?

That would be the big wakeup call to Washington - the day the congress can't stop shoveling taxpayer pork over to their constituents for votes...

john9001 · « **Reply #187 on:** November 25, 2007, 04:13:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Unknot the wet panties,

arlo has wet panties?

Arlo · « **Reply #188 on:** November 25, 2007, 04:17:36 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
arlo has wet panties?

Dago is offering a free remedial reading and basic comprehension course. Just thought you needed to know.

john9001 · « **Reply #189 on:** November 25, 2007, 04:45:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Unknot the wet panties, Lassie. .....Dago is offering a free remedial reading and basic comprehension course. Just thought you needed to know

why don't you drop the sophomoric humor and just state your facts.

Arlo · « **Reply #190 on:** November 25, 2007, 04:47:23 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
why don't you drop the sophomoric humor and just state your facts.

I can do either (and have). Why don't you pick and stick, yourself?

Arlo · « **Reply #191 on:** November 25, 2007, 05:02:08 PM »

Sometimes not knowing how to answer is the doorway to realization, yes? Of course, the decision to enter or not .... well .....

lazs2 · « **Reply #192 on:** November 26, 2007, 09:47:58 AM »

arlo.. you are making a fool of yourself with your pitiful jon stewart imitation.

You have no point. You have not explained why an M16 is not a good choice for some defensive situations.. you claim handguns are worthless too.. I would venture to say that no army in the world agrees with you... no resistance fighter or terrorist or insurgent or counter insurgent agrees with you... certainly no one who has ever faces a bad guy with a knife or gun agrees with you.

I like 1873 colts and their clones too.. I like makarovs and kimbers and rugers and all sorts of handguns and rifles and even a few shotguns now and then..

You have failed to make any point as to why I shouldn't own some or all of them.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #193 on:** November 26, 2007, 09:59:54 AM »

bingalong... there.. now we have that out of the way... you are a "moderate"... A gun owner who doesn't own guns. you are neither left nor right but think the whole thing is a right wing conspiracy... I hope you are correct actually.

I doubt it tho... from the way the NRA and the brady bunch et all is treating the thing.. it was just a shock to both sides.. I do believe that both sides fear this coming to a head but it was always do.. it is good that bush was in to put those judges in when he did...

As for your arguements.. I can find nothing at the time the second was wrote that would indicate it was anything other than an individual right and that it was for the defense of the individual against tyranny and for protection and hunting or whatever.. the choice was for the individual.

Showing cases after that... especially in lower courts is meaningless. They change and are overruled constantly.. if you do that then the final word has to be the latest right? the overturning of the DC ban based on individual rights. by your reasoning.. the court has said it is an individual right.

The only real SC case was miller and it seems to me that they affirmed that every man was the militia signed up or not. Miller was far from military.. he was a rumrunner. It seemed that they felt the only restriction on arms that the government could make was if the arm had no use in any military fashion. That would mean that every gun would be allowed that I can think of.

I admit to being surprised by the timing. It is fortuitous to me. I want to see the lying democrats with their posed pics at the skeet shoot have to explain what the second means to them... I want the spotlight put on their instance that we can't be trusted with firearms.

All you who would vote for democrats need only look at the liberal judges they appoint when they get in.

lazs

Slash27 · « **Reply #194 on:** November 26, 2007, 10:48:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Bingolong

They will be just as indangered with cases < I mean you wouldnt want to run out right?> of "ammo" in the house.

Been in many house fires have ya?