Author Topic: P-47 and P-38 (Read 3525 times)

Guppy35 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 30, 2007, 10:02:57 PM »

Ugh, not the Lowell story!

Gotta be careful quoting that one AKAK as it's suspect, in particular the Galland part. 38s were gone from 364th before the D9s appeared. Lowell at best would have been in a J-25 as the Ls didn't arrive until October 44 and 364th was out of 38s by then. problem is the D9s didn't show until October or so too.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #31 on:** December 01, 2007, 01:15:52 AM »

I know, sometimes I give in to my inner trickster and throw out that stinky bait for the Luftwhiners.

ack-ack

TimRas · « **Reply #32 on:** December 01, 2007, 02:26:21 AM »

"By July, Doolittle confessed to Arnold that the P-38 was a second-rate fighter when compared to the P-47 and P-51, even though attempts had been made to improve its performance. Spaatz, however seemed confident that the P-38 could be modified to make it a first-class fighter again, but admitted to Arnold that sizeable improvements would be necessary. As a result of these difficulties the AAF withdrew the Lightning from VIII Fighter Command operations in mid-summer, 1944"

Development Of The Long-Range Escort Fighter

clerick · « **Reply #33 on:** December 01, 2007, 02:29:14 AM »

I'd love to see some video of this maneuver.

Furball · « **Reply #34 on:** December 01, 2007, 02:49:54 AM »

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"If one of u bloody bastards has enough guts, Ill fly mock combat above ur field and show u how easily this Spit XIV can whip your best pilots ass..."

Spoken like a true Englishman...

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #35 on:** December 01, 2007, 03:34:23 AM »

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Originally posted by clerick
I'd love to see some video of this maneuver.

Do a search of the boards and you should find one from Widewing that he posted I think about a year ago. If you look far enough back in the AH Training board, you may stumble across 5 that I made against various planes but those were AH1 films.

ack-ack

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #36 on:** December 01, 2007, 04:23:06 AM »

Ack-Ack, both of those stories you posted have been time and time again proven false here on the bbs.

The first story, it was shown that Galland did not have access to a D-9 during that timeframe. That fight never took place.

Lowell was a known pathological liar and a braggart. But he was an ace. He beat up on an old Battle of Britian pilot who had not been in combat for years.

clerick · « **Reply #37 on:** December 01, 2007, 10:48:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Do a search of the boards and you should find one from Widewing that he posted I think about a year ago. If you look far enough back in the AH Training board, you may stumble across 5 that I made against various planes but those were AH1 films.

ack-ack

Found Widewing's posts but the link is dead. Maybe he can repost it please.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #38 on:** December 01, 2007, 02:31:56 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Ack-Ack, both of those stories you posted have been time and time again proven false here on the bbs.

The first story, it was shown that Galland did not have access to a D-9 during that timeframe. That fight never took place.

Lowell was a known pathological liar and a braggart. But he was an ace. He beat up on an old Battle of Britian pilot who had not been in combat for years.

Ahhh...my first bite. I knew the luftwhiners couldn't resist such a stinky bait. Too bad though the Fish and Game Dept. has deemed you too small to keep and I have to through you back for far bigger game.

ack-ack

LEADPIG · « **Reply #39 on:** December 01, 2007, 04:13:10 PM »

As much as i love the P-38. (It's all i fly) Some of these stories sound a liiiiiiiiitle suspect.

Furball · « **Reply #40 on:** December 01, 2007, 04:38:04 PM »

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"General Randy Patriot once took on 15 Messershet 373's in his P-38 and destroyed all of them using the franky tulip maneuver. On interview the German pilots said that the P-38 was the best looking and bestest fighter plane they have ever encountered. General Patriot then went on to destroy 12 Tiger tanks using the powerful gun package in the nose of his P-38. It is said that the hardened SS troops manning the tanks were so scared at the sight of the twin engined devil machine that they broke down and cried for their mothers. It is said that the F-22 is based upon the design of the P-38 but is not quite as good.

General Patriot once took on the entire RAF in mock combat above RAF Little Bollocks and defeated them all, the RAF commander then said "you bugger! you flew awesome! right on! mate!"

thrila · « **Reply #41 on:** December 01, 2007, 05:11:58 PM »

Nice "story" furball.

It's obvious that it's a lie because the australian soap "neighbours" was not introduced to the UK until 1986; hence the word "mate" had not acquired popular use by the british public until the early 1990s. You sir are a liar!!:mad:

trigger2 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 01, 2007, 06:07:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Some Germans thought the P-38 was an easy fight.

REALLY wanna see your sources for this one.
In most parts of the war the p38 was the primary fighter and the pilots knew how to use them.
In fact, if I remember right, many of the top WWII top aces for allies were P-38 pilots. The Axis feared the USAAF because that was what the US were dominating in, the US ruled the skies so to speak, and they did it in the p38 for the most part.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #43 on:** December 01, 2007, 07:19:44 PM »

The opinions of the Luftwaffe pilots varied greatly. What they thought of the P-38 depended upon the circumstances they encountered it under. A German pilot who bounced group of P-38's flown by green pilots over Germany, with numerical superiority, was likely to have a lower opinion of the P-38 than a German pilot who got his bellybutton handed to him by Graham, Morris, Olds, Ilfrey, or Lowell.

The P-38, properly flown and maintained was a match for anything short of a 262 or a 163.

It is true, of course, that SOME German pilots thought the P-38 was an easy mark. It is also true that SOME German pilots would rather sandpaper a tiger's bellybutton in a phone booth than fight a P-38 on even terms.

This argument has been hashed through on these boards ad nauseum. The P-38 was not a dominant plane for the 8th AF. But neither was it an easy mark for the Luftwaffe when flown by a competent pilot.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 01, 2007, 09:22:11 PM »

The opinion of a JG27 or JG53 veteran 109G-6 pilot who encountered a new P38F pilot in combat for the first time, would differ greatly from a new 109G-10 pilot coming up against a veteran 38 pilot in a J-25.

It's as simple as that. Opinions would very. I can quote wartime P38 pilots stating at the time that they felt like they could out turn and out fly any 109 or 190. That's without the benefit of hindsight.

One thing that does remain constant then and in AH. The pilot makes a huge difference.