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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #300 on: December 22, 2007, 11:32:48 AM »
Jut how did you have those firearms stolen? Where were they?
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« Reply #301 on: December 22, 2007, 11:42:59 AM »
I think you hit on it... why indeed do we not "ask the teachers"?   better yet.. why don't we just let them decide for themselves?   You seem to have a deep distrust for your fellow citizens.   I really don't.  If it is accidents you are worried about.. they are rare these days.   more likely a child will drown in the backyard.

Another point you hit is very important and explains why I fight to keep guns easy for citizens to own and enjoy.. as you correctly pointed out..  more of us had them as young adults.. it was normal and very easy to do.  there was no stigma and we all became proficient and enjoyed the shooting sports.

As more and more of these "sensible" regulations and restrictions are put on the owning of firearms and the shooting sports and defense..  less and less people are able to own and/or pass down the guns and the skills.. I believe that is the agenda of the anti gun groups.. to just make it such a hassle and so unfun that only criminals will bother since they don't have to go through all the red tape.

As for the "semi auto" thing.. I have no idea what you are talking about unless you mean that you want to ban semi auto firearms?    why would you do that?

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« Reply #302 on: December 22, 2007, 12:23:16 PM »
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Jut how did you have those firearms stolen? Where were they?


Its in this post.
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« Reply #303 on: December 22, 2007, 12:27:09 PM »
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I think you hit on it... why indeed do we not "ask the teachers"?   better yet.. why don't we just let them decide for themselves?   You seem to have a deep distrust for your fellow citizens.   I really don't.  If it is accidents you are worried about.. they are rare these days.   more likely a child will drown in the backyard.

Another point you hit is very important and explains why I fight to keep guns easy for citizens to own and enjoy.. as you correctly pointed out..  more of us had them as young adults.. it was normal and very easy to do.  there was no stigma and we all became proficient and enjoyed the shooting sports.

As more and more of these "sensible" regulations and restrictions are put on the owning of firearms and the shooting sports and defense..  less and less people are able to own and/or pass down the guns and the skills.. I believe that is the agenda of the anti gun groups.. to just make it such a hassle and so unfun that only criminals will bother since they don't have to go through all the red tape.

As for the "semi auto" thing.. I have no idea what you are talking about unless you mean that you want to ban semi auto firearms?    why would you do that?

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They are our children, Laz, is the point no matter how many you save.
I just want you to answer whats a good percentage of kids that get shot?
you keep skirting the issue.

I far as I know the microstamping only applys to semi-auto pistols
I would also like to see this tech married to fingerprint tech. So fingerprint to fire and microstamped when it does. I think thats a good combination and will leave your rights in tact.
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« Reply #304 on: December 22, 2007, 12:59:33 PM »
What post bing.
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« Reply #305 on: December 22, 2007, 01:10:48 PM »
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okay mav

there were in a safe attached to the floor it was removed through the wall.
And laz I kinda of resent the fact the you said "1400 dollar street value" they ment much more to me they were parts of my life. AND people keep other things in their safes as well. Not just "guns" Laz. Family documents, pink slips, notes, bonds, pictures, even cash, remember cash? etc....
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« Reply #306 on: December 22, 2007, 01:51:53 PM »
See Rule #5
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« Reply #307 on: December 22, 2007, 02:26:29 PM »
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Yeah, but the thing is, that since it involves one of our amendments' in our Bill of Rights, one of the basic building blocks of our constitution, It has become a large subject, Gixer.

If our gov't. circumvents' the 2nd amendment for any reason, what does that say about what they can do with the rest of our constitution? What does it say about what kind of gov't. could take control of the U.S. economy? Of the U.S. War Machine? Could you imagine someone like Adolph Hitler in The U.S., a dictator with unlimited power?

You can make fun of your fellow posters' all you want, But they are simply illustrating another facet of our Bill of Rights, the freedom of speech.
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« Reply #308 on: December 22, 2007, 02:37:36 PM »
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« Reply #309 on: December 22, 2007, 03:42:21 PM »
How old were you Gixer when the Port Arthur shootings happened?
Do you remember when John Howard decided to pass legislation that effectively took away most of the weapons in the civilian population and placed nigh impossible restrictions on those that could be owned?
I certainly do.
It has long been my position that responsible law abiding adults should have the right to own firearms and furthermore once they have demonstrated proficiency and civic responsibility be permitted, with appropriate licensing, to carry a handgun on their person. I'm not saying that we should all want to, but I firmly believe we should have the right to do so if we choose.
At the moment, it is only law enforcement and certain security companies that are permitted to carry weapons in public.
Criminals have no qualms about committing armed crimes with even the most rudimentary of weapons because they know damn well unless they get VERY unlucky, nobody will be equipped to stop them. Sure a lot of them end up getting caught, but usually well after the damage is done.
I know first hand how easy it is to get a handgun on the black market here in Australia, and if I still ran in those circles today I'd probably have a few. Fortunately I came to my senses some 5 years ago and thanks largely to my wife of 4 of those years I've turned myself around and now strive to abide by even the most dumbfounded laws that govern our country.
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« Reply #310 on: December 22, 2007, 08:44:02 PM »
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« Reply #311 on: December 22, 2007, 09:04:53 PM »
What surprises me about these threads is not the folks posting about their rights, but those who feel they have the privilege to deride those rights and belittle others who choose to live differently than they do. Gixer, you are welcome to live as you do, no one is telling you that you have to own a firearm. Yet you feel privileged to mock others. Rather petty of you.
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« Reply #312 on: December 22, 2007, 09:22:06 PM »
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« Reply #313 on: December 22, 2007, 10:34:31 PM »
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« Reply #314 on: December 23, 2007, 10:15:31 AM »
bingalong..  I am sorry if I haven't answered your questions to your satisfaction..  I honestly can't understand what you are asking tho.   Are you saying that if we allow teachers and/or citizens to carry at schools and that it only eliminates most of the shootings it is a bad thing?

I am saying if the next 5 school shooters or mall shooters get shot by an armed citizen and end up in a pool of blood in their own excrement (soiling their ninja outfit) before they even get started on their "dark avenger" BS....  

That the shootings fad will simply end...  like skyjacking ended when concealed firearms entered the picture.

The semi auto thing..   bad idea... simply grab a bunch of brass at the range and throw it around the crime scene..  make the cops chase their tails.. after a month of that.. the criminal is about home free.  

"fingerprint"?  I assume that you mean fingerprint reading or some sort of personal reading trigger..  cops don't use em.. good reason why.. they don't work well.. they can get you killed when they don't work when you need em.. and what about all the older and historic and valuable guns?  you want to melt them all down or butcher em?

I will be glad to speak to any question you have but you have to be clear as to what that question is.

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