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Offline moot

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« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2007, 05:47:25 PM »
No drama, just bs on your part. I called you on it, you won't concede it.. Let's just DA and see.
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« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2007, 07:41:37 PM »
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No drama, just bs on your part. I called you on it, you won't concede it.. Let's just DA and see.


Hmmmm....

You came, you saw, you died....

Any part of that you didnt understand?

Feel free to try again:aok
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« Reply #77 on: December 17, 2007, 06:39:28 AM »
Sure, anytime in the DA.. I won't be sightseeing.
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« Reply #78 on: December 25, 2007, 01:48:43 PM »
Got a chance to fly a few with moot in the DA. Other then getting "1st blood" {but not a kill} Didnt get a chance to say much beyond " nice, nice nice":)....

I'll get films up tonight and Moot has his side as well. No question that from a straight dueling perspective the A-20 is chugging seriously uphill, much more so then I'd have thought. At the same time I dont think it's completely hopeless either. For the moment I'll tend to give more of the credit to Moot then the mossie (no question its got a bigger edge then I thought).

Moot made a comment I agree with 100% in that he called the MA enviornment a "chess game" and the DA a "tic,tac,toe" enviornment...obviously alot easier for the a-20 in the former then the latter.

Hopefully i'll get to fly some different stuff with moot over the next few weeks, my comment with regard to the a-20 has always been that the folks who beat me in it are just as likely to beat me in anything else...I dont know that that still isnt true. I got the reversal on the 1st merge but got dusted on all 3...so if the merge is 85% of a duel then 85% of it was me vs what I was flying. The 4th I was fooling with a few things and it was a better merge but  that time no question the mossie hung with me in alot of high AoA stuff I wouldnt have thought it could....again i'd say I got outflown not outplaned there.

Anyway, I'll need to digest things a bit and then try and drag him back in a for a few more:)....films should be up tomorrow for anyone interested.

Alot of fun and some great merges from moot...
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« Reply #79 on: December 25, 2007, 02:03:29 PM »
Sure, we can find as many data points as you like..  The merges were meant to get gradualy looser to see how it "mapped" on the A20's envelope..  I'm pretty sure the mossie can turn inside that first tightest merge for a killshot, but most likely at the cost of exposure to a counter shot next reverse.
I don't know if reversing before the merge like you did is an advantage.
Like I had said earlier, the A20 can probably surprise a lot of fighters in a number of ways.. but once the data points are known, there's nowhere for the A20 to hide.  That's my opinion, no offense intended. :)
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« Reply #80 on: December 25, 2007, 02:43:55 PM »
None taken....
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« Reply #81 on: December 25, 2007, 07:32:48 PM »
Remind me again, does A20 = Boston?

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« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2007, 12:20:54 PM »
I, for one, would like to see the videos of these Mossie vs Havoc fights.
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« Reply #83 on: December 28, 2007, 03:08:53 PM »
Humble has the megaupload link...
Here's another. I fly the mossie at about 9/10ths pretty much the whole time.  I get out of line when my hands get off the controls to type stuff a few times.
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« Reply #84 on: December 28, 2007, 04:42:05 PM »
moot i dont think i,ve run into you befor in MA but i would love the chance to go 1 on 1 a20 v mossi
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« Reply #85 on: December 28, 2007, 04:49:08 PM »
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You guys are still going at it?  Give it up.

BTW, the A-20 is not a fighter and shouldn't be scored as such.


     The G model wasn't, but the Havoc might have a shot :D

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« Reply #86 on: December 28, 2007, 05:39:02 PM »
scherf...A-20 Havoc is basically same aircraft as the Boston III(DB-7 for Douglas Bomber)..btw..the first 250 A-20g's that were produced had 4x20mm and 2x 50cal mg in nose...cannons were replace by 50cals because they were found to be unreliable.
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« Reply #87 on: December 28, 2007, 07:02:00 PM »
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scherf...A-20 Havoc is basically same aircraft as the Boston III(DB-7 for Douglas Bomber)..btw..the first 250 A-20g's that were produced had 4x20mm and 2x 50cal mg in nose...cannons were replace by 50cals because they were found to be unreliable.


The A-20G we have is a significant upgrade over the boston we have here...no comparision between the planes in overall performance IMO. The A-20 has much better control surface authority at higher speeds as well as more power and better guns.
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« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2007, 07:51:32 PM »
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moot i dont think i,ve run into you befor in MA but i would love the chance to go 1 on 1 a20 v mossi

I remember you from early days, in the MA or H2H.. DA anytime.
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« Reply #89 on: December 28, 2007, 08:29:37 PM »
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Humble has the megaupload link...
Here's another. I fly the mossie at about 9/10ths pretty much the whole time.  I get out of line when my hands get off the controls to type stuff a few times.


couldnt upload to the site I use...all should be up over weekend...
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