Turkey attacks Iraq again...

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by KgB
Turkish Army is one of the largest standing armies in the world

Well they're not standing anymore...CNN reports 300 Turkish troops crossed the Iraqi border in an attack.

Aircraft & long-ranged missles launched too.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by john9001
whats wrong with the turks giving the kurds in turkey autonomy?

The Kurds don't want autonomy, they want their own homeland of Kurdistan which spans across parts of Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq and small portions of Armenia and Azerbaijan.




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[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by john9001
i thought the arabs defeated the turks in WW1?

Do yourself a favor and open a book and read some World War I history, specifically the Battle for the Dardanelles and the amphibious landings at Gallipoli and the fight for Mesopotamia and the Arab Revolt of 1916.  Who knows, you may just learn something.

You also may want to check out the borders of the Ottoman Empire, which at its height controlled a vast area of Europe and the Middle East.


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[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Yep, they used Soviet tactics and equipment and were mostly trained in static defenses which served them well in their war with Iran.  Using those tactics to fight the 1st Gulf War, it's easy to see how they were defeated by a more mobile army.

Turkey on the other hand has US equipment and very well trained and disciplined army.  They also have a reputation of being fierce and tough fighters, something the Europeans found out first hand in World War I.  


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                     Well said. Turkey uses western NATO level equipment and tactics. Thyh are on an order totally different then Saddams army was.


                     True they may be the poor man of NATO but they do have a well trained professional army with an officer corp that has studied in the west. The Turks have a well equipped air force, "F-16s", and a mobile land force which includes paratroopers, special forces, and amphibious marines.

                  Un like Iraq was they are not modeled on the Soviet military machine and would fight a modern war much better then Iraq could have. Another thing about the Turks, like the Iraqis, is they love the old stuff that still works. The Turks love the quad 0.50s for air defense. I remember them ringing their airbases with them.

               But in all other ways the Turks are completely unlike the Iraqi military was.

[RTHolmes]

Originally posted by Bluedog
For all you lot shouting 'troll!', take a second look.
When you guys stop seeing attacks on your national character behind every post a foreigner makes, you might find there are some very pertinent questions being asked.

really. some of you guys get very defensive as soon as a non-american (95% of the world's population remember) comments on or questions any aspect of US foreign policy. for domestic policy you have the right to say keep your nose out, none of your business. for foreign policy you absolutely do not.

please at least start with a view that there is a serious question worth discussing.

[WMLute]

If we have to fight Turkey, I just hope we don't face THIS  guy.

[Jackal1]

I fought turkey and won last month.
I expect another skirmish around the 25th of this month.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Do yourself a favor and open a book and read some World War I history, specifically the Battle for the Dardanelles and the amphibious landings at Gallipoli and the fight for Mesopotamia and the Arab Revolt of 1916.  Who knows, you may just learn something.

You also may want to check out the borders of the Ottoman Empire, which at its height controlled a vast area of Europe and the Middle East.


ack-ack

you go read a book.

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Arab Revolt was a major cause of Ottoman Empire's defeat. Campaigns of Arabian Revolt started with the Battle of Makkah by Sherif Hussain of Mecca with the help of Britain in June 1916 and ended with the Ottoman surrender of Damascus. Fakhri Pasha the Ottoman commander of Medina showed stubborn resistance during more than two and half years long Siege of Medina.
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[Viking]

Originally posted by E25280
1) Expulsion from NATO

Lol on what grounds? Last time I checked Iraq was not a member of NATO. In fact the NATO alliance have no legal grounds outside of Europe and North America. In Iraq NATO does not exist.

“Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security . “

Originally posted by E25280
3) Expulsion of all Turkish nationals from NATO member nations

You must live in a fascinating world were such things are even remotely possible.

Originally posted by E25280
4) Shutdown of the Iraq-Turkey oil pipeline and resulting revenues

Well … if Turkey invades north Iraq then I suppose the pipeline will be in Turkish hands, along with all the oilfields in the Kurdish part of Iraq.

Originally posted by E25280
5) Perminant end to any ambitions of becoming a full member of the EU

At this time that looks rather unlikely in any event.

Originally posted by WMLute
Found this interesting quote from a Yahoo news article about the Turkish Air Raids into Iraq (With Allah as their witness, they thought they could fly)

Looks like my take on it was 100% spot on.  (per. usual)

Viking, does it suck to be so totally wrong about so many things so often?  I wouldn't know what that feels like of course, but if you need to share, I want you to consider this BBS a "safe place".  We are here for ya' little guy.  I know it can't be easy to be so out of touch with reality.  



Link to YahooNews article quoted

I guess you believed Iraqi news sources over your own government too. You believed Baghdad Bob too I suppose.

Turkish soldiers cross into Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7149364.stm

My bet is that the US/Coalition will do nothing … and look even weaker to the Arabs.

Originally posted by RTHolmes
really. some of you guys get very defensive as soon as a non-american (95% of the world's population remember) comments on or questions any aspect of US foreign policy. for domestic policy you have the right to say keep your nose out, none of your business. for foreign policy you absolutely do not.

please at least start with a view that there is a serious question worth discussing.

Lol yeah, most of these people’s minds are as open as a Pandora’s box. You get used to it after a while.

[KgB]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The Kurds don't want autonomy, they want their own homeland of Kurdistan which spans across parts of Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq and small portions of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
 

i think Armenia lost enough of its land as it is:)

[DieAz]

Originally posted by WMLute
If we have to fight Turkey, I just hope we don't face THIS  guy.

never fear, we can outsource to these TWO

dare ya to watch the whole thing.

[AWMac]

Originally posted by Jackal1
I fought turkey and won last month.
I expect another skirmish around the 25th of this month.

Ditto

Mac

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by john9001
you go read a book.

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Arab Revolt was a major cause of Ottoman Empire's defeat. Campaigns of Arabian Revolt started with the Battle of Makkah by Sherif Hussain of Mecca with the help of Britain in June 1916 and ended with the Ottoman surrender of Damascus. Fakhri Pasha the Ottoman commander of Medina showed stubborn resistance during more than two and half years long Siege of Medina.
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Thank you for supporting my previous post.  The Arabs would have never defeated the Ottoman Turks in Arabia if it wasn't for the British support and the defeat of the Ottoman Turk forces in Mesopotamia by the British.  

By 1916, the Ottoman Turks were already on the last ropes, suffering major losses in the Dardanelles, Mesopotamia and on the northern front against the Russians.  Basically, they were fighting a war on all fronts and in addition, had internal strife that often required force to put down.

So to say, the Arabs were the ones to defeat the Ottoman Turks is incorrect.  They were just the final nail in the Ottoman Empire's coffin.

You may now go outside and play for recess.


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[AWMac]

See Rule #4

[Viking]

See Rule #2