Illegals leaving Arizona

[LePaul]

Originally posted by E25280
I predict by next year, regardless of the "real" outcome, all you will hear about are the people who were "hurt" by this and how the state is suffering.

Real success does not fit the proper template for the media to report.

You nailed it.  Immigration....Iraq War...you name it.  The press is in the business of drama.  If there is none, the cameras have nothing to record.

[Tac]

I don't see how making business owner liable for hiring an illegal is a responsibility of the federal government.

The feds are responsible for securing the border and preventing their illegal entrance as well as being responsible for the procedures to allow people to enter the country legally.

Once a person is in the country, in your state, ILLEGALLY it is the responsibility of the state to ensure their business are complying with the state law. They may not be responsible for deporting or 'correcting' the status of the illegal but they sure as heck as responsible for the legality of their businesses.

[REP0MAN]

Its a fine line we walk in this issue. Its hard not to be perceived as racist. I know, please don't think I am implying that in any way.

I truly believe that it is the responsibility of the Federal Government to secure our borders. I am at a loss as to why they don't. Beyond that, I think it is great that these two states (AZ and OK) have stepped up and heard the citizen's voice, thus, signing in Laws that punish employers who employ people who come here illegally.WTG!

There isn't a day goes by here in Phoenix where the illegal immigrant isn't portrayed as a victim in the media. Heck, the reporters that bring it to you are normally Hispanic. If they aren't dying in the desert in the summertime, they are being forced to stop loitering in the parking lot of a furniture store in central Phoenix. Poor them. The fix is easy. Come legally, we will be accommodating.

bj229r, Arizona passed a similar law in 2005 (IIRC) that banned illegal immigrants from access to publicly funded services like the County Hospital, certain charities and schools. It was put under injunction by a Federal judge and that was the last I heard of it. It's not surprising the same thing happened in California.

[moot]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
Come legally, we will be accommodating.  

Now that's just racist!

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Tac
I don't see how making business owner liable for hiring an illegal is a responsibility of the federal government.

The feds are responsible for securing the border and preventing their illegal entrance as well as being responsible for the procedures to allow people to enter the country legally.

Once a person is in the country, in your state, ILLEGALLY it is the responsibility of the state to ensure their business are complying with the state law. They may not be responsible for deporting or 'correcting' the status of the illegal but they sure as heck as responsible for the legality of their businesses.

Problem is, we have these "do-gooders" that make "illegal immigrant" friendly towns and cities, which prevents the Feds from doing their work.

The larger problem is the national attitude in general.  We are a nation of laws, yet seldom do we see it enforced uniformly.  So many in this country simply do not "get" that some actions have consequences.  We've raised a generation around Barney the Dinosaur preaching that coming in last is just as wonderful as finishing first.

[REP0MAN]

Originally posted by moot
Now that's just racist!

Green Card please.....

[bj229r]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
Its a fine line we walk in this issue. Its hard not to be perceived as racist. I know, please don't think I am implying that in any way.

I truly believe that it is the responsibility of the Federal Government to secure our borders. I am at a loss as to why they don't. Beyond that, I think it is great that these two states (AZ and OK) have stepped up and heard the citizen's voice, thus, signing in Laws that punish employers who employ people who come here illegally.WTG!

There isn't a day goes by here in Phoenix where the illegal immigrant isn't portrayed as a victim in the media. Heck, the reporters that bring it to you are normally Hispanic. If they aren't dying in the desert in the summertime, they are being forced to stop loitering in the parking lot of a furniture store in central Phoenix. Poor them. The fix is easy. Come legally, we will be accommodating.

bj229r, Arizona passed a similar law in 2005 (IIRC) that banned illegal immigrants from access to publicly funded services like the County Hospital, certain charities and schools. It was put under injunction by a Federal judge and that was the last I heard of it. It's not surprising the same thing happened in California.

Libs cannot get what they want through the ballot box, more often than not, which is why they sooo picky about appointing judges

[moot]

Will this do?

[rpm]

I wonder why a state with a republican controlled legislature and governor doesn't have something like that in place?

[sunfan1121]

Originally posted by REP0MAN
I just got back from Home Depot. There were probably 75 illegal "migrant workers" looking for work in the parking lot. They must not have gotten the memo.

Living in Phoenix, it's hard to believe that this law will have any effect on anyone. The local media is filled with stories of how the sanctions against businesses who employ illegal immigrants will be devastating and how our local economy is doomed. Never mind the fact we have to shut down major thoroughfares every other week to accommodate a march by non-citizens. Never mind the fact that our hospitals are near bankruptcy because of services that go unpaid. Never mind the fact that our auto and identity theft rates double most other states. Never mind the fact that millions of dollars of tax free income goes out in the mail to tens of thousands of illegal workers every week.

No, this law is the dooming element in the future of the Arizona economy.

I'm so looking forward to watching this town get smaller in my rear view mirror on my way outta here! 28 days and counting.

I agree but somehow arizona has the largest growing population in the US.

[sunfan1121]

Originally posted by rpm
I wonder why a state with a republican controlled legislature and governor doesn't have something like that in place?

Arizonas Govenor (Janet Napolitano) is a dem.

[lazs2]

sooo..  when I said a couple years ago that the solution was simply to arrest the employers...  It was a workable solution?

lazs

[cpxxx]

It is that simple, don't persecute the illegals. After all they are just looking for a better life. Hammer the employers who use them to undercut the wages of citizens and legal aliens alike. A few high profile prosecutions would scare off the employers.

There won't be a shortage of labour (or labor as you say). There are many many candidates out there who want to move to America legally.  If it's true that America needs workers and so many illegals can find work then there is plenty of work for legal immigrants.

It does seem a logical?

[lazs2]

cpxx.. not only that but we used to have a very good program that allowed guest workers from mexico... only the workers tho... no family members who should have been in school or no women not able to work.

There is no problem with needing slave labor.. the problem is with needing new democrat socialist voters.

lazs

[AKIron]

Originally posted by lazs2
sooo..  when I said a couple years ago that the solution was simply to arrest the employers...  It was a workable solution?

lazs

It's the only truly workable solution which is why it was and will be resisted by those who want the cheap labor and votes.