109k or P38L

[parin]

109K

[Daubie]

Learn to fly the Hurricane well and I've been told by the pros that do, Eaglehrt for instance, that all the others will be easy in comparrison.  Anybody insane enough to do a HO against a Hurri is just plain nuts.

What a lot of guys do is not necessary to ram you, but come close, hit rudder hard one side and snapshot a burst will blow away major assemblies like wings and tail fins.

I like La-7 back to a high base below radar, conserve fuel by running real slow to get there and pop bombers takin off when you do get there.   Nobody will expect you will be back there.  When the last tank switches over, head home, and run slow to conserve fuel.  La-7 a ladies or wussie ride?   Ask the Russian aces about that one.  Problem with La-7 is not in EW or MW inventory.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Daubie
Learn to fly the Hurricane well and I've been told by the pros that do, Eaglehrt for instance...

You might want to get some tips from someone else than him about flying any plane.  Unless that is you need tips on HOing other aircraft because that's all Eaglehrt is capable of teaching.


ack-ack

[Daubie]

I'm not a fan.

[MjTalon]

109K. Will give any pilot a run for there money. That's of course, if you take the time to learn her.... She's a winner hands down, and i'm loving her more and more daily .

[Daubie]

re:  I'm not a fan...


Doesn't matter who I quote or what plane I fly, it is always somebody with negative discourse as to not liking the guy or the plane or both.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Daubie
re:  I'm not a fan...


Doesn't matter who I quote or what plane I fly, it is always somebody with negative discourse as to not liking the guy or the plane or both.

If you've ever fought against Eaglehrt then you'd know he's no "Pro" as you claim but rather someone that is below average without any knowledge of ACM or even BFM.  

It would be a disservice to someone to point him in Eaglehrt's direction for training in any aircraft in AH.  Better off pointing the player in the direction of an AH trainer, at least that way the player will at least get the proper instruction.

ack-ack

[Chubbie]

I've been flying the f4u-1a lately and while I like it, runners anger me greatly and I've been trying out the 109k. I'm pretty good in it I just don't see any way to beat the lgay7 noobs. I know I wanna bring the fight up higher, but the lgay can outturn the 109k and climbs just as well until you get higher. Is there ANY way to beat this stupid plane in the 109k given equal pilot skills and starting off co alt co e below 10k?

[Bruv119]

wow  I read Daubie's post and got some blood pumping but ack ack was there, ready and willing

Eagle is very much a ground vehicle type of guy.  His squad also.  Bomb them a couple of times and they will move to the next un-defended field.

Haven't fought them recently though as they usually hang out in EW, MW.  i think they maybe headed in the right direction though.

[mtnman]

Originally posted by Chubbie
I've been flying the f4u-1a lately and while I like it, runners anger me greatly and I've been trying out the 109k. I'm pretty good in it I just don't see any way to beat the lgay7 noobs. I know I wanna bring the fight up higher, but the lgay can outturn the 109k and climbs just as well until you get higher. Is there ANY way to beat this stupid plane in the 109k given equal pilot skills and starting off co alt co e below 10k?

The specific plane you're looking for doesn't exist.  Scanning over your posts (not nit-picking) it looks like you want a plane that's-

Fast enough that nobody can run away from it,
Manueverable enough to out-manuever all the planes that can't run away from it,
Armed with a huge, easy-to-hit-with gun,
Has open views that make it easy to see the poor sap who's behind you,
Easily able to put the poor sap that's behind you out in front of you,
Preferably doesn't need a lot of flap use to be able to do the above,
Accelerates quickly, and has lots of verticle ability,
Isn't considered a "newb" plane,
and,
Has a 15-20 Eny.

First of all, if such a plane existed, it wouldn't have a mid or high Eny.  Second, it would be viewed as a newb plane.  Third, if it was free, 1/2 the MA would be in it.  Fourth, if it dominated all opponents, there would be no challenge in flying it.

The plane selection is all about trade-offs.  In general terms, gaining speed will cost you maneuverabilty.  Gaining weight (big guns, ammo loads, or fuel) will do that too.  Armor will add weight, and probably cost you some visiblity (F4U's, for example), but may help avoid pilot wounds and 1 ping kills.

I could go on, but won't...

The best you can hope for is to find a happy mix of "happy mediums".  Find a plane that's fast enough, maneuverable enough, etc, to keep you happy, but realize there will always be guys faster, and more maneuverable, with bigger guns, etc...  That's what makes it fun.  Or pick a plane that just "looks cool", or that you like for other reasons, and learn to use it.

That's just life.

There simply isn't a plane in the game that we can't find negative aspects of, especially when we compare it to others.  (Well, maybe the F4U, hehe).

The flight model in AH is different than in those other games too.  It'll take some getting used to.

I'd say you're off to a strong start, having seen you in the DA and the MA.  You'll improve quickly, and I'm sure realize in the end that the perfect plane doesn't exist, and even if it did, the guy flyin' it is the biggest factor.

BTW, I'd strongly recommend the F4U's.  They're flat-out the best planes in the game, and the coolest lookin' too!  They're fast, turn very well, have deadly guns, great views, radial engines, mid-range Eny, etc!

MtnMan

[mtnman]

It should be pointed out that those mongoloid cannons weren't really intended or needed to shoot down fighters.  They're for shooting big, lumbering easy to hit targets that shoot backwards, sideways, up, down, and even forward, with a heckuva lotta guns!

Sure, they'll work on fighters, if you can hit 'em, but you're using the wrong tool.

A hammer will work to drive a screw- but it's not the right tool.  Results may not be all you'd hoped for.  Using a chain saw to cut pancakes can be as frustrating as using a butter knife to cut a 2x4.  Sure, the job gets done, but...

For fighters, .50's are best, mounted in the sleak, beautifully bent wings of the purtiest fighter ever- the F4U!  Set your convergence for 275, and let 'em have it at D200!

MtnMan

[Krusty]

Mtnman, I think they weren't developed only for bombers. They were in the works before the bombers were a major threat. Heck, even the MG151/20 was in the works for a long time before it entered steady production.

I think a lot of it had to do with efficiency of kills. The number of possible shots a pilot might take in a dogfight, how many times he needed to hit a plane to bring it down, his average hit percentage, and all that. They figured the bigger gun means less needed "possible shots" and more chance of faster kills when hits landed, and etc etc.

Also I've heard one reason they may have come about during this time was also the Eastern Front, where heavily armored craft like the IL-2 defied 20mm cannon rounds at times. I've heard speculation that the 30mm was wanted on fighters to help combat these planes.

Definitely it was for bomber attacking, as well! I just wouldn't say it was the only reason.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by mtnman
For fighters, .50's are best...

I'd have to argue with this.  The .50's are good but so are 20mm Hispanos and the Japanese 20mm's.

Spitfires, Zeke's and a lot of other 20mm carrying ac were'nt designed as buff-hunters.

[mtnman]

Well, given the route eventually taken to phase out guns on fighters, I'd say you're probably partly right Krusty.  I'm thinking of the missile replacing MGs on the Vietnam fighters.  Not all ideas are good ideas.

I'd consider the IL-2 as a bomber, at least before I'd class it as a fighter.  Not really either I suppose.  I can see your argument for the 30mm against IL-2's, and would consider it the right tool for the job.  Shooting down IL-2's is not the same task as shooting down a Spit.  Different task, different tool.  I have zero doubts that people often choose the wrong tool for the job at hand.  I'll use my wife as an example.  You should see what she tries when she needs to change the batteries on my sons RC car, hehe.  

If I'm going to try to shoot down a plane that flits around like a housefly, I'm gonna need some extra bullets!

Now, if all you have is the 30mm, and a spit shows up, sure, I'd give it a whirl, and maybe I'd even hit it.  I might even get good at it given enough practice.  I can even drive a screw with a hammer!  (Not as well as my wife, of course, since she gets more practice.  I usually go straight for the screwdriver...)

I doubt they had a way to measure hit%, and if they did, I'd guess it was far from accurate.  Had it been measured, I can't imagine any result other than piss-poor expectations for hitting anything.  Reducing ammo load out would seem the wrong way to go.  Fewer attempts possible, but in the off chance you actually hit something, it was way cool?  Even small caliber hits are better than no hits.  Reducing ammo reduces chances for hits, and is really only a good choice in certain instances. The requirement of large ammo for IL-2's is an example.

Did the 30mm prove effective enough against fighters that they put it on more planes, specifically for use against fighters?

MtnMan

[mtnman]

BaldEagl quote:
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Originally posted by mtnman
For fighters, .50's are best...
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I was snickerin' a bit when I wrote that, hehe!

Again, this is an instance of there being no perfect answer.  But there are still "good" answers.  Balance ammo load against lethality.  .50's have decent lethality, with a large ammo load possible.  As lethality goes up, we trade off ammo load. (20mm's)  That's fine, if we still have a healthy balance.  If lethality gets excessive to the point where it doesn't matter anymore, then trading off ammo load for lethality doesn't make much sense.  That is where I personally put the 30mm.  Too little ammo load, (and rate of fire) for too much lethality, at least vs fighters.

Dead is dead.  A plane killed with .50's or 20mm's is not any less dead than the one killed with 30mm's.  The higher loadout of the .50's or 20mm's gives me a higher probability of hits though, any one of which could be the "golden" hit.

MtnMan