Respect

[BaldEagl]

I can't even bring myself to read all the posts in this thread.

It's no different now than it's been for the last 11+ years I've been playing these games.  No difference.  None.  Zip.

There's always been the big mouths, the dweebs, the spies, the cheats, the...  Always been there, always will be.

Fortunately, they've always been, and remain, the minority, and most of them don't stick around long.

One last thing, don't mistake frustration for lack of respect.  It happens to most of us at some time or another.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by 68bigtex
Why DOES  the majority of the players put up with the minority disrespectfulness?   I know this is a long post but just something I thought I would bring up.

Respectfully,

Generally it's the same half dozen players or so (everyone knows who they are) that do the most constant senseless and abusive yapping, most just ignore them. You'll also find that a good majority have them squelched so their audience is pretty small.


...-Gixer

[scottydawg]

One word:

Permasquelch.

We needs it.

[RATTFINK]

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[yanksfan]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
Respect in the game, and respect on the boards are two totally different things.

In the game I think there should be a certain level of respect displayed to each other. The mods are there....sometimes... to try and keep the peace, but I think there are a couple problems with them. There are not enough of them. Do we need to be baby sat 24/7? right now I'd have to say yes. Once things got back under control, most likely not.

To get thing under control there are two things needed from the mods. First, they have to be impartial. To many times I've seen one guy get mutted, and the other side continue on causing trouble. The second, they have to be willing to Piss "customers" off. This is something HTC would have to approve. If someone is continues to cause trouble the mod should be able to repeatedly boot someone to the point of suspending their account. Some 'bad apples" just aren't worth $15 a month.

If the penalty is strong enough, and given out consistently eventually people, even the kids, would learn what is acceptable.

The message boards are another problem. It is way to easy to hide behind a shade. If it were me, I'd wipe the membership clean and have everyone subscribe with their Call sign as there ID. This way people could be held "accountable" for their conduct. If you are not a subscriber to the game and there fore don't have an ID you would be locked out from ALL threads except one for people asking about the game.

Strict? maybe, but how many people leave the game due to running into the same "A" holes night after night? How many more people would sign up after their 2 weeks if there wasn't any "crap" spilling over on 200?

I agree  well put

[bj229r]

Im usually good for a few "push the stick forward" or "G" for gear, 150 mph or below"..... "good guys are green"......but so many of these people DL the game and immediately jump into the MA without even reading as far as to know how to start the frikkin engine----and then they spam the country with questions, NEVER reading the ensuing answers before plodding onto the NEXT question, and then the coup de grace.... after being pointed to the training arena/help page...."I don't FEEL like reading all that crap", and then copping an attitude and declaring the game sucks. Thus goes another 14 year-old. I think a larger and larger % of peeps in here fit in that demographic

[redman555]

I think the biggest problem is the fact that they should b in the DA not sitting there asking ppl questions all day.... HTC needs 2 make it a rule of some sort, where u r not allowed in the main arena, DA, or anything like that, inless u have been flying in the TA for atleast 2 days..



-BigBOBCH

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Amen to that ... The arena split is probably the decision HT and crew have made since I have played this game.

Mid-War, even with it's "lower" numbers, reminds me of AH in days past. Yes it has it moments with hot heads, but overall, the regulars in that arena have kept it a pretty civil community and a joy to fly and fight in.

If MW were to ever digress to the cesspool level that I see in LW, I would probably be forced to "hang it up".

Hey Slap, have you ever considered...

With AH's increasing popularity, and the way that the LW arena's fill up, that eventually you'll start to have the MW fill up with overflow from the "cesspool", as it were? What happens' then? Isn't it better if we try to fix the problem now, rather than let it overwhelm us?

If all the Vets' run off and hide in another arena, and deprive the newer generation of the exposure to the way things used to be, then aren't we contributing to our own demise, so-to-speak?

[hubsonfire]

The assumption that the current batch of players even care how things used to be is probably mistaken.

[FireDrgn]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
Respect in the game, and respect on the boards are two totally different things.

In the game I think there should be a certain level of respect displayed to each other. The mods are there....sometimes... to try and keep the peace, but I think there are a couple problems with them. There are not enough of them. Do we need to be baby sat 24/7? right now I'd have to say yes. Once things got back under control, most likely not.

To get thing under control there are two things needed from the mods. First, they have to be impartial. To many times I've seen one guy get mutted, and the other side continue on causing trouble. The second, they have to be willing to Piss "customers" off. This is something HTC would have to approve. If someone is continues to cause trouble the mod should be able to repeatedly boot someone to the point of suspending their account. Some 'bad apples" just aren't worth $15 a month.

If the penalty is strong enough, and given out consistently eventually people, even the kids, would learn what is acceptable.

The message boards are another problem. It is way to easy to hide behind a shade. If it were me, I'd wipe the membership clean and have everyone subscribe with their Call sign as there ID. This way people could be held "accountable" for their conduct. If you are not a subscriber to the game and there fore don't have an ID you would be locked out from ALL threads except one for people asking about the game.

Strict? maybe, but how many people leave the game due to running into the same "A" holes night after night? How many more people would sign up after their 2 weeks if there wasn't any "crap" spilling over on 200?

I cant tell you how many times I have thought the same thing..
You see NEW names on and these same guys are yelling at them with a harsh tone in thier voices.


How is it these same guys always attract the NEW players and are always yelling at them.

I actually made a list on the wall next to my computer. It had a list of New names that have been yelled at....I check the roster if they LOG just after getting yelled at and i write the name down.  They get a checkmark if I ever see the name again.

To date out of all the names I have seen 2 players came back. The rest vanish never to be seen again.

I no longer keep a list and I help out new players were I can.

Even from a bussiness perspective allowing this kind of behaver is "bad bussiness"

[Shuffler]

Just curious FireDrgn, how many businesses have you owned?

No disrespect intended but business looks a little different on the other side of the ball.

[TwentyFo]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
Duty-game, game-duty... Oxymoron

The only thing you're obliged in this game, is paying your $14.95 and play by the rules HTC set forth. All other goodies are icing on the cake.

Don't expect everyone to take online game as serious as you do, as such, do not demand moral obedience. It has nothing to do with respect.

In online game, respect is earned, it can not be forced.

I totally agree. Some of us, including myself, come from other online communities much larger than this one. The norms some have come accustomed to is very foreign to me. IMO people in this game are way too sensitive to trash talk.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Hey Slap, have you ever considered...

With AH's increasing popularity, and the way that the LW arena's fill up, that eventually you'll start to have the MW fill up with overflow from the "cesspool", as it were? What happens' then? Isn't it better if we try to fix the problem now, rather than let it overwhelm us?

If all the Vets' run off and hide in another arena, and deprive the newer generation of the exposure to the way things used to be, then aren't we contributing to our own demise, so-to-speak?

Well ... you have a point there.

But ... before I decided to spend 99% of my time in the MW, I did try to make changes within the LW by asking those who were disruptive, crude, vulgar, etc, to stop.

Needless to say ... I got told exactly where to go and at the same time, some other vets, who I expected to support me not only didn't support me, they actually sided with the disruptive person.

Bollocks to that ... I gave it shot and got it thrown in my face. Also, we have had BBS discussions on the cesspool attitude in LW and what came of those ... nothing ... the LW mentality, as it is now ... was defended tooth and nail.

In the MW, the majority of the people that fly in there seems to have  the same mindset as me ... so when I call someone on their language or attitude ... there is support and for the most part, the person does cease and desist.

Don't look at it like I am hiding in a new arena ... look at it like I am trying to prevent the new arena from turning into a "cesspool".

I believe that myself and other vets in the MW who call people on this type of stuff, we are hopefully setting a standard within MW that all who fly in MW regularly will accept as the "norm", and disrupter's will be admonished by all.

Make no mistake, the MW has it's moments and characters, but by and large, it does even register on the scale compared to the LW arenas ... and that is something that I can live with ... at the moment.

Hopefully, if the 2 LWs approach saturation ... HT will open a 3rd LW so that the cesspool runoff will not pollute the MW pond.

[BaldEagl]

I know all this stuff you guys are complaining about happen in the LWA's but I have to say my experiences are a lot different.

I often get, and give 's after good, and sometimes even not so good, fights.  I enjoy getting a after a good fight.  Sometime's it's hard to back if I lost but I manage to do it anyway.  

I rarely have anyone whine to me on 200 after I kill them (I can count the incidents over the past 7 years on both, if not one hand), even if it was a HO or some other equally dweebish shot.  

I occasionally let out a whine on 200 but only after much frustration.

I can count the number of times I've been PM'd on one hand.  I've only PM'd in frustration once (and that was very recently).  Other than that I have done it at times I felt someone might be c******* and those have generally ended as civil conversations on PM.

As to noob questions, I'll answer if I see them and am not too busy.  It doesn't hurt anything, even if they are too lazy to read although I don't answer the "what's the fastest plane" questions.

IMHO, you get treated like you treat others.  It's not too hard to be civil.

[wrag]

Originally posted by TwentyFo
I totally agree. Some of us, including myself, come from other online communities much larger than this one. The norms some have come accustomed to is very foreign to me. IMO people in this game are way too sensitive to trash talk.

It's possible that those you consider too sensitive to trash talk are perhaps older individuals that still remember what happened when trash talk was confined to face to face meetings without the distances involved with the net.

Not sure if such still applies but there was a time when the courts recognized that words could be uttered/said/screamed/whatever that would be considered as..

"thems fightin words"

I know at one time saying certain things would result in fists being thrown and NO court in the country would try either party.  Or the guilty party was the instigator/speaker that uttered the fightin words.

Now?



As to the size of a community.  I've come to hold the opinion that the larger communities GENERALLY have the poorest behavior.  This isn't always the case but does tend to prove to be how things work.

Self policing our community might be wise.

I keep waiting for a group of smart attorney's to find a way to bring suite against someone for online insults and such.

Pretty sure at some point it WILL HAPPEN just not sure when or how it will come about.

Seem to recall a suite being brought against myspace and some people that were using it, over a recent suicide?  A possible beginning?

I keep looking for this to start happening more and more with BBS's and online games and such.

There is money to be made.  And there are plenty of attorney's just waiting for NEW ways to make it.

If nothing else I look for the P.C. crowd to start looking at net behavior and shaking a finger at it soon.

And of course you have the politicians that are just looking for something to use for their cause and their election/reelection.

Someone once told me something that I've never forgot.

Went something like this..........


If you don't, or can't, control yourself, there are plenty of people out there that can, and are waiting, all a tingle with excitement, to do it for you.  Control yourself and, at the very least, you wont be giving them an excuse to do so.


Heard all kinds of arguments against the above but never actually heard anyone refute it?


I'm of the opinion that Hitler and his crew used this kinda thing to some success.