Fw 190 D-9

[dentin]

Originally posted by quintisv
BTW Im not saying they need to drop flaps and play grab prettythang with HOcanes but making one pass at 400mph then zooming away 4km and waiting for u to get engaged then booming back in for the pick and then nosing down to run like a school girl at the first sign of E parity makes u a COWARD imho

But, But, But,  if he survives and you don't, that should tell you SOMETHING... "school girls" seem to be smarter than you realize.

dentin

Repeat after me:  It's only a game, it's only a game, it's only a game, it's-only-a-game!  

[Shamus]

Originally posted by quintisv
BTW Im not saying they need to drop flaps and play grab prettythang with HOcanes but making one pass at 400mph then zooming away 4km and waiting for u to get engaged then booming back in for the pick and then nosing down to run like a school girl at the first sign of E parity makes u a COWARD imho

So up a tempest and run down the runners.

shamus

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by quintisv
noKilz and ballseagle where did I say I died?

You didn't.  You didn't have to.  You came here and posted a "Mommy, mommy, the bad guy killed me" thread.

[RELIC]

I like radial tires.

[Ghastly]

I didn't think it was even possible - but the original post registers about -0.00000000000007 on the who-f'in-cares-o-meter....

edit -> P.S. Just up an F4U-4 and run the booger down - and then - if it's an oXXXXXo name in particular - you can listen to him bellyache about it.

[Kweassa]

Least SOME Pick 51 runstangs will actually fight, never seen a D-9 do so unless it was a hapless newb with his gear down.

 If my Fw190D-9 turned like the 51, then I'd fight like that sometimes.

 As it is, the 190s are the worst turing planes in the entire roster. Only the 262 turns worse. People claiming to be able to outturn others in 190s, is basically the L33T guys. The rest of us sucky mediocre folk would rather not become freebie kills by flying the way the enemy wants, in a fight the enemy wants.

 Pretty simple to understand, no?

[VonMessa]

I guess I gotta hand out some freebies again...

Here ya go quint............





and here, these too.................




If you really knew anything, you would know that the Dora is designed to boom & zoom.   Its called using the right tool for the right job.  Folks don't get into a turn fight with you in them because they are not stupid.

Would you want your dentist to drill your cavities with his Craftsman screw gun?  I doubt it.  

Rule #1, if an enemy is higher, don't engage in a fight with anyone.  Watch the high one.

Rule #2, if that guy above you is in a Dora, and you choose to engage anyway along with flushing your SA, put your head between your knees and (well, you know the rest)

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by VonMessa
Folks don't get into a turn fight with you in them because they are not stupid.

No, they don't get in a turn fight with them because they don't know how or when it's appropriate, although there are a few.

I must be pretty stupid getting all the kills I do in 190's turn/E fighting.  

[Kweassa]

No, they don't get in a turn fight with them because they don't know how or when it's appropriate, although there are a few.

I must be pretty stupid getting all the kills I do in 190's turn/E fighting.

 Fortunately for you, most people don't know how to turnfight in anything in the first place. Us sucky people like turnfighters because its easy to instinctively turn with them - not because we know how turnfighting works in the first place. We pull the stick, and voila, the plane's inherently better turning than the other guy's plane.. so we tend to think "we're turnfighting!" - except we actually don't know what the hell's going on. We just pull the stick, and let nature take its course.

 On the other hand, assuming you'd meet a pilot who's at least as skilled as you yourself, in something like a La-7 or a F4U-4 for example, I'd seriously doubt you'd try turnfighting with him when he's in a plane that turns much better than yours, and is as fast as yours (so you can't bugger out and dive to safety when things don't work out the way you imagined).

 So you're not stupid. You're actually smart.

 Picking a fight on the usual, clueless MA bottom feeders, and then outflying them in the worst area of performance on your own plane, is a very satisfying method to bolster one's own ego.

 However I'd hardly choose such experiences as an objective opinion as to how one might manage a certain plane - you might confuse us sucky people when you say "I can turnfight in them", and then meet another seasoned MA vet in a better turning plane, and then do not actually turnfight him.

 We tend to be misled.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
You didn't.  You didn't have to.  You came here and posted a "Mommy, mommy, the bad guy killed me" thread.

shut it skilless dweeb boi, he was making a comment about how 99.9% of dora dweebs fly in the MA!

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by quintisv
Nothing quite says "hi, Im a gutless moron who is here to pick and not fight" quite like it.

Pretty sure you need to hand in your balls as a deposit to take one up out of the hangar.

Least SOME Pick 51 runstangs will actually fight, never seen a D-9 do so unless it was a hapless newb with his gear down.

   

I fly Doras so's I can catch your LaLa.

[BaldEagl]

Kweassa,

Much of what you say is true.  The reason for my success turn-fighting in the FW's is my experience vs. the general MA population and particularily my experience in the FW's and in knowing where their limits are.  In a match with an equal pilot in a (superior) plane I would no doubt lose.  However, in most cases I can make a quick judgement as to the quality of my opponent and decide to engage or not.

I'm not one of the E77T by any means but I am willing to search for the limitations in myself and the planes I fly.  You don't find those in a dead run.

[crockett]

Originally posted by quintisv
Nothing quite says "hi, Im a gutless moron who is here to pick and not fight" quite like it.

Pretty sure you need to hand in your balls as a deposit to take one up out of the hangar.

Least SOME Pick 51 runstangs will actually fight, never seen a D-9 do so unless it was a hapless newb with his gear down.

   

So what do you fly?

[Bosco123]

From what it said, he mainly fly the 109's and spixteens. I wouldn't want to get low with any 109 to begin with so I'd be pickin in the first place, thats why he dies most often. the spixteen is a SUPER noob airplane and he should definetly not be talking about the pickers if he is in one of those. Oh and on more thing quintisv, would you come down from 8K in a D-9 against a hurri and 200ft and try and fight him?

[WMLute]

I would like to bring up "flying a plane to it's strengths" again here.

The FW190D is a very capable fighter.  It is fast, great roll, great climb, good guns.  It has many tricks it can pull.

What most the weenie B/Z types you are posting about don't understand is you do not have to only "chery pick" in the Dora.

Let's say I am in a Dora and come across a Niki co alt with me.  I of course will not start a stall fight with it (that's suicide unless they are REALLY horrible).  I will use my speed and climb in the verticle to gain a positional advantage on the niki.  Once I have that, it's just a matter of me landing the shot I am about to create.  

A good trick is to get above them and "fake" comin' back down.  MOST pilots will nose up to meet you for the HO.  (suckers)  Drop down JUST long 'nuff to build some Energy (you should be pulling 0G's at this point to gain the most Energy) and get them to commit to the move and go right back up again.  Give 'em a shot.  ALMOST.  Almost is the key here.  You are trying to make 'em "go for it"  If timed right, you did one of two things.  1) Set them up for an easy rope  2) Just put them out of position with no Energy.  Both things are "good" things.  They are either dead, or you are above them with energy.

The KEY is to not allow too much seperation so the niki can build back up its Energy.  90% of the players that B/Z make this mistake.  They do not keep the pressure up on their opponent.  Once I am in position on the niki, I will attack it FORCING them to dodge or die.  When I am training, I refer to this as "herding"  I "herd" the niki untill it's in position to give me a kill.

The "trick" to herding is you are rarely committing to an attack pass.  You just want them to THINK you are (or might be) and force them to react.   The only time you actually "commit" to the attack pass really should be when you pull y'er trigger and kill them.

I can' count how many times i'm the one in the niki and some pony/dora/la7 etc is Boom and Zooming me and allowing time to build up my energy and Position.  After 4-5 passes we are generally almost co-E and it's "run time or die" for the B/Z'r.


It's not the PLANE it's the PILOT.

(I say that all the time and it's spot on)