La5 and LA7

[Kuhn]

I don't want to debate for Krusty. If you feel that strong need to take everyone on, go right ahead. I didn't want you to get all huffy about it.  

[Karnak]

I just get tired of the anti-Spit, et al lobby.  It tars and feathers people like me along with the people who are ostensibly being targeted and I have to hear the same complaints about being a "Spitdweeb" or flying a "****fire".  It got really freaking old.

For example, in the AvA the Axis complains that Allies only fly Spits when it is available.  But when I take a Mossie up, every single Axis goes for me ignoring the Spitfires.  So by taking up an less agile aircraft all I get is ganged, and I am not nearly good enough to overcome a being ganged in a Mossie.  And then they wonder why the Allies only take Spits.

[Kuhn]

Originally posted by Karnak
I just get tired of the anti-Spit, et al lobby.  It tars and feathers people like me along with the people who are ostensibly being targeted and I have to hear the same complaints about being a "Spitdweeb" or flying a "****fire".  It got really freaking old.

I agree.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Karnak
You've been painting with a very broad brush.  You labeled all Spit and La players as people who refused to move on to acceptable fighters.

And you have me backwards, I liked the history first.

You mix me up with the others. I never laid out what was "acceptable" -- just saying sticking to only 1-2 planes because they let you do things others don't let you will limit yourself and your experiences.

Personally I'm an advocate of flying EVERY plane at least a few times. If for no other reason it lets you learn how to better kill said plane.

[Karnak]

Krusty,

Agreed, I have done tours where I got one or more kills in every unit in AH.  But the slander about Spits still splashes on me.  And I am sure the slander about La-7s and N1K2-Js does the same to other players.

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Originally posted by moot
Yep, nothing more riveting than shallow victories.

vulchings defanition perfect.

[WWM]

Spit V is the most enjoyable plane in the game for me.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Krusty


So a 2-week newbie ups an la7, hos, runs screaming home every time he takes a breath, stick stirs the bejeezus outta his plane any time anybody nears 800yards... HE might think it's fun. HE might get some instant gratification. It doesn't mean the majority of the game base would agree. And he is closing himself off from the (IMO greater) fun of actually manuvering for a kill, or evading a HO, or

Robbing Peter to pay Paul. That sort of thing.


Your opinions may vary.

Whether or not a player is "closing him self off" isn't dependent on the plane they fly.  It's all dependent on the player's attitude and the desire for that player to learn the finer point of aerial combat not the plane.  The player you describe is going to fly that way no matter what plane they are in.  

You can take the dweeb out of the plane but you can never take the dweeb out of the pilot.


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[Krusty]

Perhaps, but with more experience usually comes more understanding. Taking on a bit of every ride (after the initial learning curve, of course) will most likely lead to more understanding of flight manuvers and the different capabilities, and well... GI Joe said it best. Knowing's half the battle.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Krusty
Perhaps, but with more experience usually comes more understanding. Taking on a bit of every ride (after the initial learning curve, of course) will most likely lead to more understanding of flight manuvers and the different capabilities, and well... GI Joe said it best. Knowing's half the battle.

But the experience you wish to others to gain isn't solely gained from flying multiple planes.  In fact, that experience and knowledge can be gained without having to fly every fighter in the planeset.


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[Krusty]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
But the experience you wish to others to gain isn't solely gained from flying multiple planes.  In fact, that experience and knowledge can be gained without having to fly every fighter in the planeset.


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It can be gained without flying every plane in the planeset, but it cannot be learned by flying 1-2 similar planes at the exclusion of everything else. You make it sound as if anybody can learn everything all without exploring. It's like college: You don't know what you wanted to learn until you branched out, took a few electives.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Bronk
Great example here.  So he has out paced his attackers and they broke off. He's now OTD out of wep.
Here comes the the 10 k lala  vectoring to cut him off. Now what? If he takes the time to learn/ improve on those skill sets I mentioned. I'll bet he'd have a ton more fun reversing the attacker. Rather than stick stir and mashing the wep key in futility.

But I guess being helpless is fun for many.

                   I thought the humor in my post was rather obvious. Maybe Im wrong.

                  Point I was making is its just a game. I couldnt much care what anyone does or how they fly. Or "what" they fly.

                 I dog fight all the time in them. On occasion I even win.

                 Maybe one day I'll get good enough in my cartoon airplanes to spend 1/2 my time looking down my nose at others.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
I thought the humor in my post was rather obvious. Maybe Im wrong.

                  Point I was making is its just a game. I couldnt much care what anyone does or how they fly. Or "what" they fly.

                 I dog fight all the time in them. On occasion I even win.

                 Maybe one day I'll get good enough in my cartoon airplanes to spend 1/2 my time looking down my nose at others.

Rich it wasn't meant as a dig at you personally.  I was just using your little scenario as an example.
The point I was making is the better you become, you are probably going to have more "fun".

Sorry for the confusion.

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Bronk
Rich it wasn't meant as a dig at you personally.  I was just using your little scenario as an example.
The point I was making is the better you become, you are probably going to have more "fun".

Sorry for the confusion.

                      No problem my friend. The transition to fighters is actually going smoother then I thought it would. But....this just isn't a game your going to get really good at quickly. It takes many months to get good at this.

                     And while on that learning curve journey its best to have fun doing it. With whatever you want to fly and however. Believe me, Ive been vulched, HO'd, cherry picked, and ran from, to often to ever feel guilty doing it myself.

                   And some guys?? Some guys who are really good?? I think some just dont have fun doing it anymore. Or, they dont sound like their having fun.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Krusty
It can be gained without flying every plane in the planeset, but it cannot be learned by flying 1-2 similar planes at the exclusion of everything else. You make it sound as if anybody can learn everything all without exploring. It's like college: You don't know what you wanted to learn until you branched out, took a few electives.

Who says "exploring" has to come by flying every plane in the planetset?  Why can't it be gained from taking the time to going to such places as http://www.netaces.org and read the fantastic lectures that are posted?  Or by utilizing our trainers to help the new and ACM challenged players to increase their skills?  All I am saying is that your assertion that this knowledge can only be gained by flying XXX amount of planes, is not correct.  Does it help?  Yes it can, but is it the only way to gain experience or knowledge to improve one's abilities?  No and I would also say not the most effective way either, especially for new players.

Since you're so fond of using real life analogies, here is one for you.

I know that a car can kill you if it hits you, I don't need to "explore" by getting hit by a car to know that it can kill me.


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