Nothing to see here, move along

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Arlo, leaving aside the discussion about the mistakes made in planning and implementing the Iraq War, and there has never been a war that was fought without mistakes, a compelling argument can be made that Saddam needed to be taken down, just as post-WWII historians have made compelling arguments that Hitler should have been forcibly confronted or taken down during the mid-1930s.  

Leaving aside? I'm not dealing with "what-if." We see the results and they ain't pretty. Many saw it coming long ago. Some even presented this to the potus. Those that made it past the Cheney/Rumsfeld filter/wall, that is.

There's plenty of stupid tyrants goading us to invade now. Especially after they see how much a negative impact it's had on us by "saving" Iraq. Is that good reason? Wasn't to begin with. Plenty of mass-murderers out there. We never had the resources to depose them and force Democracy on their "thankful" victims.

Not good reasons for supporting broken policy. Maybe if the policy was productive we could stomach some frilly feel-good floating on top.

And ... regarding Obama's Pakistan statement .... you could say that flies in the face of both claims of "isolationism promotion" and "anti-war for sake of anti-warism."

And hyperpole has no practical place in policy. Shame on the Cain.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
LoL Arlo..  You bring good entertainment with your crackdowns and anti-pitchfork post!


I understand that Obama has not accepted any money on his campaign from lobbyist and his funds come primarily from average folk donations..  Couldn't this mean we might have a politician NOT in corporate america's pocket?

At least .... not as deep, eh?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by AKIron
That would be funny if it weren't so sad. Obama is buying every single vote with taxpayer money.

Mmmmm .... you figure how?

[JB73]

Originally posted by Arlo
Well, I'm sure you see what you wanna see. Not seein' the chips behind a reverse race card building you a winning hand from this seat.

I don't understand your post

"Not seein' the chips behind a reverse race card building you a winning hand from this seat."

Is that meant as I have / am building a "race card" or is it meant as he is?




either way, my post was meant to those who know what an uncle tom is, he has been very non-race in most everything he says, almost to alienate the "black vote" as in distancing himself form it. he seems to pander to "white media" well, and doesn't play the card like jackson would back in the 90's.



Remember back oh 10 years ago? someone named powell tried running for a major seat and was labeled an uncle tom and lost MANY "black" votes..

funny how history decides to NOT repeat itself according to media some times.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by cav58d
I just don't see any of this in Obama.  When I see this guy I see a very coreographed (sp), mechanical politician.  I just don't get the major appeal of him.  Idiot or not, i'd rather spend the afternoon with dubya, than osama obama, and it has nothing to do with being conservative.  The guy just doesn't seem very human to me at all.

Fox News has actually done one good thing lately.  They were interviewing a group of dems listening in on one of the debates, and there was majority support for Obama.  One of the anchors asks them why they like Obama, and to name one specific thing he has done.  Guess what?  Not a single person could name one accomplishments.  They are voting for a guy because he has a nice personality, or so people say.


ugh.

Because the Republicans last election voted for the guy "they most wanted to have a beer with".

You know what?  People are fluff'n nuts.  End of story.  

The one overtly positive thing I can say for Obama... He's not the Washington Insider, the status quo.

Finally....Perhaps I can vote for the first time in my life without a fluff'n Bush or a Clinton on the ticket for god's sake.  McCain and Obama, that's what I want to see.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by JB73
I don't understand your post

"Not seein' the chips behind a reverse race card building you a winning hand from this seat."

Is that meant as I have / am building a "race card" or is it meant as he is?




either way, my post was meant to those who know what an uncle tom is, he has been very non-race in most everything he says, almost to alienate the "black vote" as in distancing himself form it. he seems to pander to "white media" well, and doesn't play the card like jackson would back in the 90's.



Remember back oh 10 years ago? someone named powell tried running for a major seat and was labeled an uncle tom and lost MANY "black" votes..

funny how history decides to NOT repeat itself according to media some times.

I read the book the term "Uncle Tom" was based on and am pretty familiar with the term. And yeah, my response was reflective of what I see you claiming ... it's not his claim, shame or even resemblence to me.

His not having the race issues you do does not an "Uncle Tom" make. If anything, it proves he can be a potus without such.

Short: No ... I don't see what you do. Question: Do you see it because you want to?

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by AKIron
That would be funny if it weren't so sad. Obama is buying every single vote with taxpayer money.

Whats sad? Are you saying his campaign buget is taxpayer money?  If so, how so?

[WWhiskey]

Originally posted by Arlo
Not qualified? As much as you, at least? I'm cut!

Obama.

Reply:(obama is not running on the same platform as JFK)

 Simple answer. Kennedy clone? Pfffft ... mnoooooo. Closest candidate to exhibiting the same spirit? No brainer. U-yeah.

My position? "My position" is I don't see you presenting a case without ramping it up and taking it overboard. If I "failed" anything ... I "failed" to take your stance seriously. That's because you didn't present or support one that deserved it, imo. Bit extreme. Now, if you're done having a "Wiki-cow"

Reply: ( you had the wiki cow not me)

perhaps you're ready to show me the "encyclopedia articles" that prove Jack would make a class-a modern-day neocon.

 Reply:(i only meant he would not make a dem. today, he fits the republican base well as a fiscal conservative! and by the way  I thought very highly of him , only wish there were more like him!)

 Lets see.I've been cut, been shot, been blown up in an airplane crash been in the VA medical center in albuquerque for over 6 months at a time, been in 7 different VA hospitals since i got out of service,died 13 times, was given 2 years to live 17 years ago, have had a broken neck, two ribs removed from gunshot wounds,burns over 45%of my body, an inlarged heart caused by  blunt force trama, all recieved while in sevice to you  and this country,and yet i still work and run my own bussiness during the summer so as not too draw you'r precious social security and I have not drawn a day's veterans benifits other than what the VA offers too its own as far as medical care is concerned! what else do i need too do to convince you that i dont care that much about what you think?

The only reason i even answered this time was i wondered what you meant by been cut? and yet i think i'm tired of your crap so i doubt i'll answer you any more anyway, since you seem to only want too attack me, and those like me, instead of the real problems of this world
 for an old man you need to grow up a bit!
                  of course thats just my opinion! Thanks to me and others like me we still get to exercise that right!
  Dont worry Skuzzy  I'm not about to type what i wanted too next!!

[TwentyFo]

Originally posted by Arlo
Appreciate the advice but I'm well aware of how Wiki works ... per say. It's not a bad source, even so. Case in point ... the very subject I cited. It further cites the various sources comprising the entirety of the material and the Wiki-monitors have cranked up their fact-checking/re-checking.

The knee-jerk response Whiskey gave me for using it as a source doesn't really involve Wiki providing inaccuracies over Jack Kennedy's "obvious" conservativeness as much as it's an attempted slam inferring that before Wiki I never studied or learned a single thing.

Wiki's convenient. Whisky can get over it if he didn't have an ulterior axe to grind.

I use it too because it's handy. If I need quick info, or a general idea about something I will reference that. It's a great concept and can be very useful. Unfortunately, I've seen first hand how easily facts can be changed on that site.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by WWhiskey
Lets see.I've been cut, been shot, been blown up in an airplane crash been in the VA medical center in albuquerque for over 6 months at a time, been in 7 different VA hospitals since i got out of service,died 13 times, was given 2 years to live 17 years ago, have had a broken neck, two ribs removed from gunshot wounds,burns over 45%of my body, an inlarged heart caused by  blunt force trama, all recieved while in sevice to you  and this country,and yet i still work and run my own bussiness during the summer so as not too draw you'r precious social security and I have not drawn a day's veterans benifits other than what the VA offers too its own as far as medical care is concerned! what else do i need too do to convince you that i dont care that much about what you think?

The only reason i even answered this time was i wondered what you meant by been cut? and yet i think i'm tired of your crap so i doubt i'll answer you any more anyway, since you seem to only want too attack me, and those like me, instead of the real problems of this world
 for an old man you need to grow up a bit!
                  of course thats just my opinion! Thanks to me and others like me we still get to exercise that right!
  Dont worry Skuzzy  I'm not about to type what i wanted too next!!

Sorry the sarcasm of "being cut" by your opinion was too subtle.

While I'm as impressed as you want me to be that you've been a human pincushion/ballistic testbed/duralog during your service time and I managed to avoid it during mine .... what would convince me you're as apathetic as you claim would be actual apathy displayed. All this keyboard pounding and whining about being attacked ain't doin' it.

I'm rootin' for you more than you realize. I think you should be able to manage it. Most vets I've rubbed shoulders with that've been in the real thick seem to.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by TwentyFo
I use it too because it's handy. If I need quick info, or a general idea about something I will reference that. It's

Exactly why I use it. My time is actually divided tween this place and elsewhere. But too many here go all emo and claim they're just citing historical fact so I use it to give them a reality clue-by-four whack when it suffices for such.

[TheDudeDVant]

13 times!  wow.. thats got to be some kind of a record I would think!

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Arlo
Hold. What was the state of the economy/standard of living/quality of life under Bill, again? I see how you feel but I don't see those feelings well-based/placed.

The prosperity of the Clinton era was inherited by Clinton from the Reagan era, and furthered by a Republican Congress. And I have actually been far better off under Bush, as I own my own business now, live more comfortably, and am doing better every day. Nice try, but wrong again. Having known you from the boards for years, Arlo, you'd argue with a gate post, just for the sake of arguing, I guess because you don't have anything better to do. I have better things to do, so argue with a gate post and have fun. No hard feelings.

[Saxman]

Virgil,

Actually, I lost a job several years ago because Bush repealed safeguards that Clinton put in place to limit American businesses from moving jobs overseas.

Worked over a year doing technical support for SBC DSL. Until SBC decided to close two of its sites in my department. We had 4-5 involved in the cut:

St. Louis, Houston, Phoenix, Manila, New Dehli.

St. Louis was rated highest both as technical knowledge AND customer service.

Houston was where corporate HQ was located (don't know if that's the case after the merger.

Guess who got cut? Yup, that's right, St. Louis and Phoenix. Corporate HQ and the overseas centers were saved. Quite a surprise.

[lazs2]

I fail to see how I said anything that was not true.. JFK would be considered a "neocon" by todays standards.. he was for strong defense and projecting Americas power even by regime changes..  covert regime changes were perfectly alright by him.

I don't think he would have advocated schooling illegals or that government documents were available in spanish or licenses for illegals.   He believed in personal responsibility.

I don't think saying osamabama is left of stalin is too far off.   I fail to see any vote that osamabama made  that stalin .. or any commie...would not have made the same choice.   JFK was more conservative than most of the republicans running today... peace core or no... and osamabama is no less a commie than the commies of JFK's time.

There has simply been a shift to the left in America.  It always happens as population in cities grows and people become more dependent and..  less able to accept personal responsibility and.. it is a normal stage of govenment and it's growth and decay.

lazs