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Offline Wolfala

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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2008, 02:28:12 AM »
Think you guys need to watch the BBC's Space Race. It was done as a tag team project between BBC and Russia's Channel 1.

This is the scene you are looking for on the disaster.

Suggest you watch the entire episode though.

http://www.youtube.com/v/h5frXEzqhKs&rel=1
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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2008, 10:52:29 AM »
kgb.. sorry..  not sure I get you.   I asked if you believed that the information was hidden from you for your own good and you said yes.

I took that to mean that you felt you were better off (for your own good) if information was hidden from you.

In borodas case.. I think he goes a step further.. On the one hand.. he feels that free speech is evil causes starvation and that it is for your own good that unpleasant things are kept from you but on the other hand..  he will believe SOME information he is given even to the point of believing the reduction in evil (gulags) but realizing that it was, and is.. common practice for the soviets to openly lie about such things. (for your own good)

It begs the question boroda.. how do you know when they are telling the truth and when they are hiding it from you for your own good?

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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2008, 01:41:55 PM »
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So far as I can see.. the soviet union was a terrorist organization.   I could not live there.   I would be imprisoned and probly executed.   I doubt they would like my political individualist stance.   I doubt they would like me traveling and building hot rods and collecting and shooting firearms.   I don't think they would allow me to speak freely.

Life would not be worth living except to try to figure out a way to get out of your country or destroy it from within.


Then US of A is... I don't know what.

Lazs, you never tried to live in Soviet system, that's all. As for collecting a shooting firearms - you needed to live in Stalin's times, they were taken away from the people by "democratic" Nikita. Traveling? - nothing was impossible, if you didn't work in defense. Speak freely?! You could speak and be _heard_, not like in a "free world" where a dog barks and wind blows it away.

Did you read what I posted?

What I meant was: there was no media "sensation", no one was screaming "oh oh horror horror Nedelin was burnt alive!!!". I knew the story when I was a kid, but it wasn't a subject of entertainment media.

I need a glass of something now, one minute pls...

OK, got some cranberry stuff from the fridge, I need to drink it - it's there for maybe 6 months, now it's time. You can find interesting things in our fridge at work.

So, do you copy? Did I express it so you understood what I mean?

Now about anthrax story. Such things should definitely be kept from public, I mean from nation-wide media. People who are well... "influenced" (?) by a disaster get all possible treatment and information from local civilian defense. We are not going to spread panic, are we? A good example: last year some media spread information about a malfunction at Balakovo nuclear power station near Saratov. Next one in chain already said about radiation leak, while they didn't even stop generators there, next one got an "expert" who looked at the personal medikit contents when he was in the Army and remembered Potassium Iodide as an "anti-radiation" pill, so this TV station advised people to take Iodine-containing medicines. "Iodine", a 5% Iodine solution in ethanol (tincture of Iodine) is still widely used here to disinfect small wounds, so people started drinking it, that caused several hundred people hospitalized with Iodine poisoning. This is what I call a "freedom of press" and what I am against.

Did you read it? Was I clear enough this time? Anyway - your health, this cranberry liqueur is better then I thought it is ;)

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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2008, 01:52:10 PM »
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And for future reference.
I agree with you that Communism is bad,USSR is evil,God bless USA and blah-blah-blah,i already know it.
Keep me out of your arguments with Boroda plz.He likes it there in Russia,i don't.
Thanks.


I don't like it here, there or everywhere.

Any society has it's pros and cons.

If we could combine Soviet medical care and education with US mobility, Australian relaxed attitude and total freedom that we have now here in Russian Federation - I think I still couldn't be satisfied.

Communism isn't bad. It's not good either. USSR wasn't evil, that's for sure, it was just another system of oppressing the individuality as any other state and government. Just different. God bless USA, that' for sure, but I don;t believe in god, sorry, that's why I don't like the new "lyrics" to Russian national anthem. I don't like Putin, I don;t like his official "ancestor", I don't like Western "democracy", I don't like when I have to chose between two brands of ****, someone, give me another Globe!

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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2008, 07:43:09 PM »
Eh?

Can you guys just turn ON your brain instead of loudly quoting your Western-fundamentalistic slogans?!

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« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2008, 07:54:58 PM »
There's red all over your post.
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« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2008, 09:45:32 PM »
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There's red all over your post.


Listen please.

I don't care about what you think.

What surprises me is that even people like Lazs keep saying slogans instead of reading what I post.

Sad.

I make you feel but I can't  make you think (c) Jethro Tull, 1972, "Thick as a brick".

Maxwell's demon between so-called "free world" and USSR.

Now tell me who have been behind the "Iron curtain".

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« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2008, 10:07:26 PM »
I wonder how many school shootings would there be if they were not reported.... Seems like a routine weekly event now days...

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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2008, 11:06:49 PM »
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I wonder how many school shootings would there be if they were not reported.... Seems like a routine weekly event now days...


Exactly.

Entertainment my ass!!! "Another 25 people shot!" - and the whole nation holds it's breath. What for!? Can anyone explain it to me!? What's the purpose of media coverage in such cases?

Media should be controlled, and controlled by one intelligent force.

Any "competition" in this case will lead to escalation of violence and terror.

Do you prefer to be "well informed" about anthrax and Brittney Spears divorce or just mind your own life?

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« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2008, 01:34:48 AM »
Just saying Boroda.. You're completely biased yourself.  
My dad's been to the USSR, worked there and made a lot of friends.. And thought it was worse than just about anywhere else he'd been, and he'd been nearly everywhere.
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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2008, 02:57:58 AM »
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..., and he'd been nearly everywhere.


had he been to :
Reno, Chicago, Fargo, Minnesota
Buffalo, Toronto, Winslow, Sarasota
Wichita, Tulsa, Ottawa, Oklahoma
Tampa, Panama, Mattawa, LaPaloma
Bangor, Baltimore, Salvador, Amarillo
Tocapillo, Barranquilla, and Padilla?
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« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2008, 03:40:42 AM »
About a third or quarter of those..  What he said was:
Alors chu r'parti
Sur Québec Air
Transworld, Nord-East, Eastern, Western
Puis Pan-American
Mais ché pu où chu rendu

J'ai été
Au sud du sud au soleil bleu blanc rouge
Les palmiers et les cocotiers glacés
Dans les pôles aux esquimaux bronzés
Qui tricotent des ceintures fléchés farcies
Et toujours ma Sophie qui venait de partir
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« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2008, 10:26:23 AM »
boroda.. I only repeat what you say and what you say... is abhorent and flawed.

Perhaps in person you could convince me that I would be happier in soviet US than in a democratic US.  I really doubt it.

Your point is that some reporters are irresponsible as is russians.

I also believe that if the press had made the school shooters out to be wimpy losers with hidden gay tendencies.. it would stop the shootings.

the trick is.. who deciedes what is the "right thing" for you to hear?   You?  the government?   some committee?

Do you even see a problem in this logic?   who decides?  Who do you place so much faith in that you feel he has the right to keep information from you?

Oh wait..  some people get all the information.. I take it you feel you should be one of those?   that it is just the idiots and little people who need protecting from the world?

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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2008, 01:51:40 PM »
Lazs, WWWTP you'll be invited as a government adviser.

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« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2008, 01:57:01 PM »
dunno boroda.. don't really want any part of any government you would be happy with.    I have a feeling that your governments idea of "convincing me" and mine would be quite different.

It's fun to talk to you about but I want no part of you having any sort of power over my life and my life choices.

lazs