German Panther

[Lumpy]

Then why mention...
Why not state the distance from the Normandy coast to Berlin then... hmmm?

Much easier to find on the net. Just a reference to show how small Europe really is.

[MiloMorai]

Nice selectivity gScholtz, bit understable considering the poster.

Hull front

- 50-108mm@34-90� M4A3(76)W HVSS Sherman
- 64-108mm@34-90� M4A3(75)W Sherman
- 114-140mm@34-90� M4A3E2 Sherman
- 51-108mm@34-90� M4A1(76)W Sherman
- 51-108mm@34-90� M4A2 Sherman
- 51-108mm@34-90� M4A2(76)W Sherman

[BigPlay]

No there wasnt.

Cutpaste from one message of mine elsewhere on same topic:

Medium / heavy tanks were NOT destroyed by .50s. End of discussion.

Even more, few tanks were destroyed from aerial attack at all.

British War Office analysis of 233 destroyed Panther tanks in 1944 revealed, that only 14 of those were destroyed by aerial attack. 11 with rockets, 3 with cannons.



I never said 50cals destroyed any tanks but I do have a few books that show the carnage at the Falaise Gap and the road is littered with tanks, horses, men and trucks. If aircraft didn't destroy them than what did ....... allied tanks. I don't think so. There is also actual German accounts from said event that said it was typhoons that attacked the colum but I guess that's can't be true on account of what you read. I think first hand accounts and pictures are enough to convince me.  tanks that were disabled by said attack doesn't mean they were destroyed some if not most could have been disabled enough to abandon them so maybe that's what your refrence is refering to. Regardless they were out of action.

Oh , unless you a shades name for Scuzzy there is no end of discussion .

[Lumpy]

Nitpicking again Milo. Don't be so pedantic. I never said which version Sherman so I'm free to choose, and I chose the standard M4.

[MiloMorai]

Poor ol' gSchotz. I wouldn't expect you to do otherwise considering your leanings - always worst for the Allies. Your objectivity is slanted by your selectivity, hence my post.

Be sure, most common.

6748 M4s produced out of a total production of 49,234 or 14%.

The standard Shermans were the M4A1 (6281 - 13%), M4A2 (8053 - 16%) and M4A4 (7499 - 15%) for a total of 21,933 produced.

[straffo]

Much easier to find on the net. Just a reference to show how small Europe really is.

do you notice you're off by about 100 miles ?

[Lumpy]

do you notice you're off by about 100 miles ?

I am?

http://www.mapcrow.info/Distance_between_Paris_FR_and_Berlin_GM.html

[Lumpy]

Poor ol' gSchotz. I wouldn't expect you to do otherwise considering your leanings - always worst for the Allies. Your objectivity is slanted by your selectivity, hence my post.

Be sure, most common.

6748 M4s produced out of a total production of 49,234 or 14%.

The standard Shermans were the M4A1 (6281 - 13%), M4A2 (8053 - 16%) and M4A4 (7499 - 15%) for a total of 21,933 produced.

When did I say it was the most common?

The M4 Serman was the standard version produced until 1944, but that doesn't mean it was the most produced. The A1-A4 were modified/updated versions. Again your lack of reading comprehension has led you astray. But in any case the M4, M4A1, M4A3 and M4A4 all had just 51mm front armour, so if you pick the A2 version who is being selective? 

[redbelly]

 

[ssDruid]

The book "Sherman - A History of the American Medium Tank" by Hunnicutt is probably the most comprehensive source on the market for information regarding the Sherman and its history.  The true bible for the armored enthusiast.

[MiloMorai]

Not me with the reading comprehension gShcholz. Armour was up to 108mm front armour.

There was 7499 M4A4s produced between Jul 42 and Sept 43 in just 1 factory. This is less than what 3 factories produced of the M4 in the same time span. Both versions began production in July 42. The M4A2 began production in Apr 42.

Just like Barbi, you only post what suits your 'Allied is crap/German is uber' agenda.

[straffo]

I am?

http://www.mapcrow.info/Distance_between_Paris_FR_and_Berlin_GM.html

if you use the distance between Paris and Berlin , your start date is 25 august 1944 end date 08 may 1945 dist : 544

if you use the distance between Caen (very close to the juno) and Berlin , your start date is 06 june 1944 end date 08 may 1945 dist : 570
http://www.mapcrow.info/cgi-bin/cities_distance_airpt2.cgi?city3=-2031765%2CC&city4=-2443848%2CB

But in all cases the distances you have used are false because it's not the real path followed by allied troops !


Caen to Berlin by Paris : 815 miles (using the current highway not avalailable in 1944 )

http://maps.google.fr/maps?f=d&hl=fr&geocode=&saddr=caen&daddr=48.763431,2.373047+to:berlin&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=6&via=1&doflg=ptm&sll=51.495065,6.657715&sspn=9.253285,26.542969&ie=UTF8&z=6

Paris to Berlin : : 654 miles

http://maps.google.fr/maps?f=d&hl=fr&geocode=6709162067143996083,48.753660,2.368900&saddr=paris&daddr=berlin&sll=51.495065,6.657715&sspn=9.253285,26.542969&doflg=ptm&ie=UTF8&z=7

[Lumpy]

This is really important to you Straffo? Important enough to hijack the thread?

Even if it was 1000 miles it would still prove AquaShrimp's "100 mile a day" wrong, and THAT was the point.



Milo, believe what you want. I chose the standard M4 and no matter how you twist and turn my words most Shermans only had 51mm front armour, including four of the five main production models. Your inferiority complex is irrelevant.

[straffo]

No it's not really important but had you been less peremptory I would not have posted.

Plus the 100 miles a day affirmation was debunked quite easily : VE days is not at the end of june

[MiloMorai]

Milo, believe what you want. I chose the standard M4 and no matter how you twist and turn my words most Shermans only had 51mm front armour, including four of the five main production models. Your inferiority complex is irrelevant.

Poor gScholtz. I am not twisting your selective words. Frontal armour varied from 51mm to 108mm.  Anyways it is all there to see by who read this thread your selectivity.

Typical gScholtz with the insults. You while be getting another of your numerous PNGs soon.

A correction:
There was 7499 M4A4s produced between Jul 42 and Sept 43 in just 1 factory. This is MORE than what 3 factories produced of the M4 in the same time span. Both versions began production in July 42. The M4A2 began production in Apr 42.