Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[Arlo]

     I don't think this episode is going to matter much in the long run.  Heck, just
look at the diehards here like Arlo, MT and Crockett.  Obama could be pitchforking
babies on live TV and it wouldn't change their minds.

Well extreme hyperbole certainly isn't. I mean if extreme hyperbole and mud slinging doesn't work on me ... what will? I must be an extremist or sumpin'.

[Tango]

"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor . . ."

You know who wrote this?































George Washington

He wrote it in his Proclomation to the People after the after the writing of the First Amendment.

No reply yet, Crockett. You still around?

[Rino]

Change my mind about what? Obama NEVER SAID anything that is exciting the crowd in here. In fact he has denounced all of the things that are exciting the crowd in here.

AND I have never been an Obama supporter... ever.

All that aside, maybe a little perspective is in order. At the risk of having those of you prone to reading mis comprehension I will capitalize..I THINK REV. WRIGHT IS WRONG.

Now in fairness it may be helpful to try and understand where those statements come from. I know understanding this stuff is akin to trying to understand the motivation behind Al Quaida.. God forbid.

Giving AIDS to black people? Why on Earth would a black person jump to the conclusion that the government would deliberately infect them with a disease? That has never happened..... has it? Oh wait, maybe it has. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmtuskegee1.html

Now compare the outrage (and news coverage) over the testing of Holocaust victims by the Nazi's to the amount of coverage you've seen on this issue. Maybe the indignation over past treatment is a little more understandable.

Maybe, but I doubt this will sway anyone to anything other than more BS finger pointing at the guy who never said any of those things.

     Hmmm, you disagree with what was said <sorta>, and you don't support Obama <kinda>, but you try the
tired old gambit of relative morality to defend the guy you supposedly don't care about.  I think my first post
still stands on it's merits. 

[Gunthr]

My take:

Obama jumped the shark when he insulted the intelligence of so many Americans in his Philly speech. 

A 20 year close friend of Wright's, and a member and financial supporter of a black racist church (not uncommon in large cities) -  for 2 decades, but he had no clue about the anti-whitey, anti-American stuff? 

I don't believe most people think Obama is racist - tho I'm sure many more do now.  I think he is just a politician, maybe naive, who went where the votes were in that community, but stuck around too long.

His unpardonable sin is expecting Americans to buy his load of steamy crap regarding this.  One thing I will give him tho, is he had no choice but to take this tack.  Otherwise he is either a closet racist (wife too) or he is too naive, lacking in judgement and to prone to accidents to lead the most powerful country in the world - in spite of being the smoothest speaker we've heard in a while.

The black power people, the extreme left and the hard core socialists who were strongly supporting Obama probably still will, but what Obama lost is everyday middle America. 

[AKIron]

At least this didn't hit mainstream media until perhaps too late for Hillary to overtake him. I don't care what color the guy is or what skeletons are dragged from his closet. All I care about is defeating someone as far to the left as he is. If it takes exposing his church of 20 years as a bastion of racial bigotry so be it.

[Chairboy]

Might want to read his speech, he addresses a lot of the concerns above.  I read it, and I view the Wright thing in a different light now.  Considering that the current administration took council from folks like Pat Robertson who has gone on record as stating that the US deserved to be attacked on 9/11 because it was morally wicked...  yeah, this isn't that big of a deal.

[trax1]

Pretty sure they are both words. One's even in the dictionary.

Never heard of neoconpub, tried to find a definition for it but couldn't.

[AKIron]

Might want to read his speech, he addresses a lot of the concerns above.  I read it, and I view the Wright thing in a different light now.  Considering that the current administration took council from folks like Pat Robertson who has gone on record as stating that the US deserved to be attacked on 9/11 because it was morally wicked...  yeah, this isn't that big of a deal.

That he embraced this racial bigot for 20 years will put off most Americans. If Obama wins the nomination you can be sure we'll see Wright ranting and spewing hate 'til we're sick of it. Free country and all. No big deal is right but it's enough to cost him the election. Some will say it's because ameirca is racist. The irony of Wright's racism that cost Obama the election will be lost on them. 

[Chairboy]

Go ahead and read the speech in full, then comment again:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm

It's pretty much a requirement to continue discussing this issue unless y'all are making no bones that you have no actual interest in his views on this issue and just want to take pot shots.  If the latter is true, then of course there's no reason to read the speech.  I'm not a supporter, but I'm tired of single-sided bombastic sermons, which is what this thread is basically.  It ain't a conversation, that seems evident.

[Arlo]

Never heard of neoconpub, tried to find a definition for it but couldn't.

Wrong one. Try again. You get three.

[AKIron]

Go ahead and read the speech in full, then comment again:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm

It's pretty much a requirement to continue discussing this issue unless y'all are making no bones that you have no actual interest in his views on this issue and just want to take pot shots.  If the latter is true, then of course there's no reason to read the speech.  I'm not a supporter, but I'm tired of single-sided bombastic sermons, which is what this thread is basically.  It ain't a conversation, that seems evident.

I know who obama is and what he stands for and I despise it. Denouncing him for his long and close association with an activist bigot is fair and reasonable and I could care less about any defense he might make.

[evenhaim]

Someone care to explain what happend to me briefly, i really havent been paying enough attention to the us elections...

[john9001]

i listened to obamas speech, first he said he "strongly disagreed" with the preacher man then he spent the rest of the speech telling us how great the preacher man was and how bad america is.

obama is in a tight spot, he needs to hold onto the black racist vote and at the same time convince the moderates that he is not a racist.

i don't think he can do it, he will run out of koolaid.

[Xargos]

If Obama is unaware of what's going on in his own church, how the hell is he suppose to know what's going on in the country?

[Arlo]

You guys make me laugh. Playing the race card (of all things) against Obama. Are you suckered in by one of the most bizarre smear campaigns to ever crawl out of the muck or are you an active part of it? Seriously ... is this to soothe anxiety over Obama's popularity and Mac's lack of? To quell fear over the possibility of the mantle passing onto someone from a different party under the claimed guise of this candidate actually being worse for the nation than the Republican frontrunner (much less the current president)? Quite honestly, this tactic actually smells (stinks to high heaven, to be precise) of it's own racism and fear. 

Well ... if mudmails seem to have you convinced I guess the following isn't gonna drive you from the "convictions" you derived from them:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/church.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/01/10/hannity_plays_the_race_card_against_obama_and_echoes_viral_attack_email.php

http://teresacentric.com/2008/03/more-vile-racist-smear-on-obamas-beliefs/

http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/christianity/18400/much-ado-about-jeremiah-wright/