curious...why is LA7 not perked?

[2fly]

I know this is an old story, but noone I have asked knows the answer and I am not willing to delve through years of posts to look for it.

Just what is the logic behind the LA-7 not being perked? 

It is close enough to the tempest in speed as not to really matter, more maneuverable, and the guns are not that inferior.  Sure the hizookas are better, but a little practice and the LA hits out to D800.  Duration?  bah!  it goes far enough.  Seems to me it should be at least 1/2 if not 2/3 the value of a temp.  And if it isnt perked the the spit 14 and both corsairs should be free.

Enlighten me guys.
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[Lusche]

Perking was introduced to prevent any plane from dominating an arena. Way back it was the F4UC which at one point had more than 20% of all kills and a very high k/d at the same time.
Perks are a balancing tool. But the LA-7 has not an unbalancing impact of any kind on the MA. Neither the raw number of kills, nor the K/D is anywhere near spectacular.
Most probably that's the reason why HTC hasn't perked it yet, despite myriads of "perk LA" threads since it's introduction

In 2007, La-7 was ranked only #18 in fighter K/D's with 1.27. (Best unperked fighters Hurri II, Typhoon, 109K, all having K/D over 1.5)

It was ranked #2 in raw fighter kills, with a share of 7.25% (1st P51D at 7.73%, 3rd N1K at 7.16%)

[Xasthur]

This thread should be locked and made a 'Sticky'.

 

[RoGenT]

I haven't flown in the LALA since it was remodeled but it does seem its ''less as good'' then before the update; But no complaints here on that 

[Rich46yo]

                   The reason the LA has such a mediocre K/D ratio, or at least one of them, is that many people upp them only in desperate situations. Like when the enemy has a vulchvest going on or when your just plain outnumbered. Im also told that many newer sticks fly them but its hard to tell. Nobody with any time in the game admits to flying LAs and Im just not the type to check anyones stats.

                    I would rate the Hispanos as far better then the Russian cannon. And the Tempest is a far better gun platform. I begin to worry if a Tempest or C-Hog is 600 behind me but dont start worrying about the LA till 400, or even 200. If the Tempest wasnt perked then a lot more people would fly it a lot more recklessly. Most people really dont care if they get shot down in a LA. Ill also bet if most guys had to choose between gunning a Tempest, and gunning an LA, they would go after the LA. There's something about the LA-7 that just brings the meanness out in guys. I have seen an entire furball drop what they are doing and chase me in an LA. Ive never seen a Tempest mix it up with the rest of the pack anyways. Everyone Ive seen flys them like "run-90s" or "runstangs". They barrel in from 15k, HO you, and then run. But its always the LaLas that get the bad rep.

                   One big reason the LA isn't perked, and it should continue to not be, is that it has very short legs and doesnt have a external fuel option. That means you have to fly it to shorter ranges and for shorter times. That and it doesnt carry meaningful ords, which means its not much of a GV killer. Actually one of the toughest opponent's for an LA is a 109K4, which is what? 20 eny? And the lesser Spits can give you a hard time as well. But.....Im only approaching medium skill in LAs. Ive seen a few guys who can really, really fly them.

                 The LA-7s are a great ride for the guy who refuses to be a mindless, gelded robot who badmouths them just cause everyone else does. Ill bet I see less LAs in the air then spits and runstangs anyways.

[Carwash]

In 2007, La-7 was ranked only #18 in fighter K/D's with 1.27. (Best unperked fighters Hurri II, Typhoon, 109K, all having K/D over 1.5)

It was ranked #2 in raw fighter kills, with a share of 7.25% (1st P51D at 7.73%, 3rd N1K at 7.16%)

Lusche, I know stats don't lie, but there are other factors at play here.  For example: the LA7 is a little bit of a noob plane while the 109 K4 is pretty much a vets plane.  That could easily explain the difference in the K/D.  That being said, I still don't favor perking the LA7.  (Sorry 2fly).  In a duel, I would take the Spit 16 over the LA7 anytime.

[Bucky73]

LA-7 should be perked no doubt about it. Carwash you hit it on the head with the K/D being so low because it's the most "flown" newb ride. I "fly" the pony alot and I also think that it should be perked but the LA should definately be perked BEFORE the pony. I can't for the life of me figure out why the C-hog is perked and the Lala isn't.

[Lusche]

Lusche, I know stats don't lie, but there are other factors at play here.  For example: the LA7 is a little bit of a noob plane while the 109 K4 is pretty much a vets plane.  That could easily explain the difference in the K/D. 

Oh, I would never argue that the K/D is being degraded by the huge number of players flying it.

But ii still shows it's far from being unbalancing, like the F4UC was back in the days. It hat both numbers and high K/D at the same time. If the LA would give players a massive overall advantage over all other planes, we would see MUCH more than a mere 7% kills being done by it. High top speed down low, but quickly degrading over 5K. very good climb but not the best, good maneuverability but still not the best, average view, very good punch but average ballistics. And the biggest issue why it isn't used more: short legs. That's why you see it mostly in base defense or in close furballs, rarely far behind the immediate front line.

[Lusche]

I can't for the life of me figure out why the C-hog is perked and the Lala isn't.

4 Hispanos with superior ballistics and an insane amount of ammunition, to name only the most important one. The whole concept of "perking" primaly owes it's very existence to the C-Hog

I "fly" the pony alot and I also think that it should be perked.

Why in the world would you perk the Pony???? 

[2fly]

Thanks guys.

I just wanted some insight into why.  Not really looking to reignite an old firefight.

I still think it should have a value assigned just because it is a superior aircraft.  It is certainely one of the most flown newb rides and leads to the situation of being beaten by the aircraft and not the pilot at times.  I guess it may seem worse to me as I like the typhie a lot and the LA is the bane of its existance.

Anyway, thanks for the info.
 

[DrDea]

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Wouldnt that just be rich.When I see an LA I just wanna shoot it down.I dont know..they just scream dweeb.Ive used them to break up a base attack but nothing more.

[dedalos]

Just what is the logic behind the LA-7 not being perked? 

Same logic used when the P51 and D9 were not perked

[dedalos]

LA-7 should be perked no doubt about it. Carwash you hit it on the head with the K/D being so low because it's the most "flown" newb ride.

What is it that bothers you about a ride flown by a newb?  Easy killz for someone like you right? 

[Ranger45]

All the complaints about the LA are comical.  It is not instant death.  I used to fly it but now fly the Corsair and never hesitate to fight a LA.  I would rather go against it than a Hurricane.

[wrongwayric]

If you use the logic that because most "newbs" fly it then you might as well perk the spit16 also as it's one of the most common spits flown by the newbs. Seems to me the LA7/5 is performing the very task that it was designed for, short to medium range base defense with the primary focus on killing anything in the air. I'll up an L7/5 for defense if i see a con break my dar for the plain fact it gets airborne quick, climbs ok, and has speed to run out and attack or I.D. the incoming con. It is a fairly easy plane to fly and pretty forgiving of mistakes but like any plane if you can't fly it right your not going to be very effective with it.
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