General Gun Discussion

[storch]

I'm a proponent of open carry but but BUT if open carry is illegal in your state why would you want to purposely break the law?  I'm good with concealed carry, it's no ones business to know if I'm armed or not.  if open carry were legal in my state I'm not so sure I would carry openly.  I think it is for me to know and you to find out that has the greatest appeal.

[Hap]

Rights, rights, rights . . . sheesh.  If we had a thread about what we owe as a citizen as opposed to what is our due, I really don't know if it would receive 5 substantive posts.

[lasersailor184]

What does any of that got to do with shooting 2 unarmed property offenders in the back by a guy who wasnt himself, or anyone else, threatened?

Just wait, there will be a tragedy where a neighbor shoots another over a lawn chair at 0300 and Texas will rethink its "shoot first" Law.

As usual the same guys turn it all into an us vs you cop thread. So Im bowing out. Theres nothing left to say anyway.

And 99% of what happens to "us" never hits the news either.

But thanks for the anthropology lesson anyway. I do get it yaknow, having worked the ghetto myself for more then two decades. They were non-white and illegal so go ahead and shoot.

You see? I get it.

The thing is, there hasn't been a shooting like that over a lawn chair.  Not in Texas.  Not in Florida.  Not anywhere.


What liberals and crappy COPs will never understand is that giving citizens guns does not turn the neighborhood into the wild west.

[indy007]

I missed that bit. I like it though.

Y'all come back now, hear? 

Right on. We'll be the guys in the local police department jackets with fake badges.

Man, the crazy stuff you can learn from 2 strikers in your WoW guild. 

[lazs2]

hap.. I believe you are wrong.

I believe that there would be wide and vehement disagreement on what we do or don't owe as citizens of the United States .. or as simply illegal aliens.

As for open carry.. I don't see the point.. in the states that allow it you don't need to make a point.  I also think open carry is not a great idea.. more into concealed carry.

lazs

[lazs2]

again.. I agree with toad and rich for the most part.   I would not shoot anyone who was not a threat to me or someone else.   There would be no way I would shoot the neighbors son and his friend breaking into their own home because...

they would tell me who they were.

They would not threaten my life.


I would not shoot anyone in the back who was not a threat to me.  If they had a weapon and/or had just been a threat to me I would shoot em back front or sideways before they could get into a better position to do me or others harm.

Shooting is a last resort to me.. when there is no other choice.   I don't really know if that was the case here or not.   

lazs

[Skuzzy]

As this is one of the most talked about topics in the O'Club, I decided to make it easy for you.  Now you no longer need to hunt for this thread.

If you want to discuss guns, then this is the thread to do it in.

[Toad]

Right on. We'll be the guys in the local police department jackets with fake badges.

Man, the crazy stuff you can learn from 2 strikers in your WoW guild. 

Bring a really, really good fake warrant with you and expect to discuss it with the local county mountie before you enter. One quick call to local dispatch can clear up a lot of confusion, can't it?

[Toad]

If you want to discuss guns, then this is the thread to do it in.

Skuzzy, with all due respect sir, "guns" is a mighty big topic for one thread.

There's the purchasing aspect, the performance comparison aspect, the hunting/places to use them aspect, there's the whole gun rights aspect along with various other political aspects, there's the self defense aspect and more than those I'm sure.

It seems it will be pretty difficult to keep the discussions straight if they're all mixed into one thread. Sort of a tower of babel problem if you will.

Just my .0s.

[captain1ma]

just remember, when seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

Base on 2 lawsuits against police departments, the police are under no obligation to prevent crime. therefore you are in charge of your own destiny.

if you don't have a gun. that's of your choosing and you can die a happy liberal.

if you are like some of us, i believe in protecting myself and will shoot to protect my life, my property and my family.  i even believe in protecting my neighbors not smart enough to own guns.

point is, if the cops cant save you, save yourself. God bless america!!

[Xasthur]

"We are going to have a family soon," he said.

"We didn't want to bring up a family in that sort of area."

City of Greater Dandenong councillor Jim Memeti said the area's cultural diversity was an asset and people moved because housing was cheaper further out.

"Local residents in areas like Dandenong and Sunshine are tending to move out if they can afford to," he said.

[/b]

What point are you trying to make with this?

They don't call Sunshine 'Scumshine' for nothing, it's a hole.  

That article refers to the areas of greater Melbourne that contain the very lowest socio-economic groups.

Crime is more prevalent in these areas all over the world. What does this have to do with using inappropriate deadly force?

Forgive me for not knowing the names of scum-filled areas of America very well but would you bring your children up in Detroit? Is that a good enough example?

Judging by the tidy yards and large houses shown in the clip from the original post, this double shooting took place in a relatively wealthy town.

Where is the relevance?

[Skuzzy]

Skuzzy, with all due respect sir, "guns" is a mighty big topic for one thread.

There's the purchasing aspect, the performance comparison aspect, the hunting/places to use them aspect, there's the whole gun rights aspect along with various other political aspects, there's the self defense aspect and more than those I'm sure.

It seems it will be pretty difficult to keep the discussions straight if they're all mixed into one thread. Sort of a tower of babel problem if you will.

Just my .0s.

Toad, generally speaking I agree with you.  However, the reality is almost all the gun related threads devolve into the same discussion.  It really is painful to have a dozen gun topics all about the same thing and all being posted to.

In a many cases, the same exact posts were being copied from one thread to another.  It had really gotten very abused.  Then two weeks later another thread would start up about the same thing all over again, repeat ad infinitum.

I agree about the purchases though.  I have not merged those into this thread.

One of the good things that could come out of this is those of you who have a true passion for firearms will not be bothered as much by trolls.  Trolls have a tendency to want attention and not allowing them to see their name in lights by starting threads has a tendency to slow them down a bit.

[lasersailor184]

Toad, generally speaking I agree with you.  However, the reality is almost all the gun related threads devolve into the same discussion.  It really is painful to have a dozen gun topics all about the same thing and all being posted to.

In a many cases, the same exact posts were being copied from one thread to another.  It had really gotten very abused.

I agree about the purchases though.  I have not merged those into this thread.

As much as I know it always happens, and I try to stay away, I can't. 

[wrag]

Had to add these links 

http://deadbangguns.com/

http://deadbangguns.com/GunControl.html

http://deadbangguns.com/HellGlock.html

http://deadbangguns.com/History.html

Just trying to be helpful here 


And this just came up..........

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hCxcKGSQ7r7ORZNySqR3F0kP5rOgD91KMM180


And this could be a good document to have around?

http://www.gunfacts.info/

[Toad]

The national discussion on the Joe Horn situation has begun.  I can't see it as a benefit.

Looking Kindly on Vigilante Justice  http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1820028,00.html

Time magazine, wide national distribution, written by a guy with a concealed carry license.

The 911 tape offered up a few clues that Joe Horn had every intention of killing the men who were breaking into the house next door. For example, there was that time, six minutes into the phone call, when he told the dispatcher, "I'm gonna kill 'em."

And "kill 'em" he did, stepping outside his house to shoot the men with three shotgun blasts in the back as they retreated across his lawn with a bag of stolen goods from next door....

...The Castle Doctrine was also invoked in a shooting a month ago 250 miles away from the Horn incident, in Kaufman County, Texas. An elderly man picked up a gun and shot — out his front window — at an "intruder" who turned out to be his 15-year-old neighbor, who was crossing his lawn at night with a friend. The boy survived, but as his friend's mother drove them to the hospital, they were hit by a drunk driver, killing the mother and leaving both boys with even more injuries. The car accident wasn't the old man's fault; the shooting most definitely was. County law-enforcement officials initially declined to press charges, citing the Castle Doctrine. Ultimately, they recommended the case to a grand jury, which did, in fact, indict him...

...If the Castle Doctrine were interpreted with the kind of sobriety and restraint espoused by my instructor (and responsible gun owners), it would be a good law. But by celebrating its most overreaching interpretations, those who make a hero out of Joe Horn will ultimately only succeed in ensuring that it isn't

I would hope the Kaufman County real life example gives pause to some of the people that have posted in this thread.

I would hope that understanding the Horn said he would kill them before he ever left his house gives pause to some of his defenders in this thread.

I know, hope in one hand, shirt in the other and see which one fills up first.