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Offline Toad

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #495 on: July 02, 2008, 12:56:21 PM »
Toad, you are wrong and if you were my neighbor ......well lets just say you wouldn't want to live near me too long. Us folks in the country do things a little bit different.

I have a place in the country. I still wouldn't kill someone for stealing my neighbor's hoe. I know I wouldn't want to bear that on my conscience.

YMMV.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #496 on: July 02, 2008, 01:01:00 PM »
Kill all home invaders no matter what their intentions are, thieves are worthless POS's! :aok

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« Reply #497 on: July 02, 2008, 01:04:47 PM »
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To you LEO's in this thread who are pronouncing Mr. Horn a murderer, or his actions simply wrong. Do you ever wonder why so many citizens have a low opinion of LEO's in america. We are tired of being assaulted, raped, robbed, murdered and everything else that goes along with crime. After all there are 400 million of us citizens while only 1 million LEO. If we had 50 million LEO then you might have a chance at protecting most of us. But then you LEO would be a domestic standing army of 50 million with the massed power to dictate law to "We the People".

In Texas "We the People" voted. Are "We the People" ultimatly the law, or are you LEO's the Law?

Hey pal, were just "citizens" too and no different then you, "well other then were judged harsher".

And nobody was "assaulted, raped, robbed, murdered, and everything else" in this incident either so quit your babbling.

It was a property crime in a neighbors unoccupied house with the Police OTW. He was told specifically by the dispatcher to stay in the house. MR. Loony was in no danger until he ran out the house with the shotgun and executed these offenders.

It doesnt matter what these two offenders might have gone on to do had they lived. This isn't Minority report and none of us are on the Pre-crime squad.

Nobody is saying you cant protect yourself. But you know that and since you lack facts and a moral leg to stand on your going to go on an emotional babble instead. I suspect if these two were local white kids that just made a mistake, and were executed, you'd all feel different.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #498 on: July 02, 2008, 01:06:02 PM »
Please go to Texas and tell all of "We the People" who voted for their law that they are ALL inherently stupid and untrust worthy.

You are reveiling by your statement that you want humans disarmed because you fear for your life at the price of others being murdered because you fear your fellow mankinds lack of judgement. You would take away others right to life with your "stupidity" assertion to protect your own because you fear us.

Sounds like Liberal Elites and why they are working overtime to disarm the citizens of the free world. They dont trust us and will accept our deaths as long as they don't have to fear our "ARMS" because we are "STUPID". Texans voted and told their liberal elites that thier lives and property are just as valuble and worthy to life as the liberals who have allowed them to be robbed and murdered for the same reasons you xasthur call most people "STUPID".

We COMMON people die because a hand full of people like yourself think we are stupid.

Don't lump me into your American gun-fight nonsense, I'm Australian. I don't care what you guys do with your guns. You've made your bed and you have lie in it. I know that you can't get rid of guns now, too many people have them.

There is no disarming required where I am from.. No one is armed.

Don't give me this watermelon about me disarming you, I don't influence anything in your country.

Save your rhetoric for someone who has some effect on your laws.

You're right about one thing though, I did say people are stupid.... because they are. Take that however you like.

This is as far as I'll go with politics and serious issues on this forum, I'm already starting to offend people and I would prefer to keep Aces High free of any conflict.

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #499 on: July 02, 2008, 01:07:04 PM »
Kill all home invaders no matter what their intentions are, thieves are worthless POS's! :aok

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« Reply #500 on: July 02, 2008, 01:22:21 PM »
Texas showed similar multicultural population preasures as this article gently refers to when Texas crime became the problem that helped pass the law Mr. Horn was abiding by. Remember, austrailia has about the population of Texas or slightly less. But most of the mixed asian, arabic, african and white australian population lives in cities along australias coasts. Inland is very inhospitable to human life with littel water or available food sources to support modern growing multicultural populations and the cultural balkanism and crime that comes with it.


Almost a million Melburnians have upped stakes 

John Masanauskas, Herald Sun (Melbourne), June 27, 2008

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MELBURNIANS are moving house in huge numbers - with up to one-third shifting to other parts of the city and regional Victoria in the past five years, according to census data.

More than 900,000 city dwellers changed address between 2001 and 2006, as pressure from overseas migration pushed many locals towards the fringes.

About 500,000 people moved outside their local government area, while some 400,000 shifted to nearby homes.

The biggest single transfer saw 10,125 residents leave western suburbs such as Sunshine and St Albans for booming Melton.

There was a similar exodus from the Dandenong region to the southeast housing estates of Narre Warren and Berwick.

Dandenong has seen a major transformation, with the arrival of refugees and other immigrants, in recent years.

Daniel Willis, 22, said he and his partner, Rebecca Parry, moved from Dandenong to Narre Warren to escape rising crime and cultural change.

"We are going to have a family soon," he said.

"We didn't want to bring up a family in that sort of area."

City of Greater Dandenong councillor Jim Memeti said the area's cultural diversity was an asset and people moved because housing was cheaper further out.

Other areas with large outflows included neighbouring Clayton, which also has high immigrant settlement, and suburbs such as Box Hill, Pascoe Vale and Coburg.

Some areas with high outflows also recorded big intakes.

Boroondara lost 25,806 residents, but gained 23,237 from other areas.

Record high immigration and a rising birth rate saw the population rise across all council areas.

The data, prepared for the Herald Sun by the state Department of Planning and Community Development, revealed city fringe areas had the most internal movement.

More than 30,000 residents in the City of Casey, which includes Narre Warren and Berwick, moved within the area in the five-year period.

Other suburbs with high internal migration included Roxburgh Park, Sunbury, Frankston, Belgrave and Lilydale.

Planning department senior demographer Jeremy Reynolds said the trend to move small distances was common.

"The comparatively low numbers of moves across the Yarra in Melbourne, the harbour in Sydney or the Thames in London are indicative of this sectoral bias in migration," he said.

Head of Monash University's Centre for Population and Urban Research, Dr Bob Birrell, said poorer immigrants tended to settle in outer suburbia.

"Local residents in areas like Dandenong and Sunshine are tending to move out if they can afford to," he said.

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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #501 on: July 02, 2008, 01:22:21 PM »
I do agree that what Horn did was aggressive and not required, as he was not in direct threat of his own life and actively chose to place himself into the situation.  I do agree with his actions though.  Those crooks as the facts have made clear were not performing charity work--unless stealing from others and giving to oneself is now considered charity.  The US citizens, especially in border states have been placed in a precarious position due to economic, political, and legal issues.  Many of us do not at all want these illegals (whatever nationality or race) here at all.  Like it or not, these people undercut jobs and place undue strain on governmental services to such a degree that it is negatively impacting the legal citizenry.  

Fact:  The U.S. Constitution applies to citizens only!  The great majority of benefits and services offered by the Gov't are intended soley for citizens and new legal immigrants.  

If Horn just let them go, the cops may have not found them or if they did, they would probably already be out of jail by now up to new crimes or whatever.  What did they expect to encounter by stealing from people----a red carpet, smiling faces and keys to the house?!  

What Horn did was send a clear message to criminals in his area.  If you cross the line and violate the rights of others, you in turn surrender your rights and have entered what John Locke called the State of War.

Ill lay my cards out fair.  The US legal and prison system is a sad joke.  All were doing is allowing these guys to get bitter, hardend, educated in more crime and awaiting a chance to strike again.  It is up to us the People to enforce our collective will if our so called leaders cant or wont discharge their duties.  Really, the police have no affirmative duty to protect you or your property and they certainly wont set up a post at your house to deter thieves.

If we as people must rely on the Gov't to solve all problems, we will end up in chains in no time.
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« Reply #502 on: July 02, 2008, 01:25:30 PM »
 I dont think the DA wanted charges brought.The grand jury generaly does what the States Attorney wants in most instances and being as its an elected position in that case,perhaps he went soft on it.
  The way I see it.They were shot in the back.It looked like he was pissed and went out looking to shoot someone.It was a bad shoot.He should be charged.
  maby someone knows more about this case but I remember someone had their home broke into and had a gun.The thieves came through bat wing type doors and one was faceing his back twords the home owner.It was dark.Thinking they were coming after him he shot the first through the door in the back.He was charged.Theres a lot of gray area in that shoot.In this case there wasnt.This was an execution.
 That being said I dont feel one bit of pity for the perps.
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #503 on: July 02, 2008, 01:25:51 PM »
""" Violence breeds violence and violence is seldom controlled and directed in a focused manner. """

wrong.........

violence given proper time and application can and will solve anything/everything
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« Reply #504 on: July 02, 2008, 01:31:53 PM »
Very True,
I mean if violence were gone, What would become of rugby?
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #505 on: July 02, 2008, 01:37:21 PM »
It's funny after all these years to come to the conclusion that a lot of you guys in this thread probably now put me in the pink-skirt-wearing-commie-liberal category because I won't kill someone over the loss of a $15 garden implement.

This must sow confusion amongst my enemies here that have figured all these years that I'm a hard-headed-heartless-conservative-jackaxe-warmonger. :)

I will close out by posting my view on having to kill someone. I've surely got the necessary guns of all types and the concealed carry permit to get the job done. However, these are the rules I'm going by. Not just because it is the law in my state but because they make sense. To clarify, these are the rules I'd go by even if I lived in Texas. I feel they are reasonable.

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Use of force in defense of a person; no duty to retreat. (a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent it appears to such person and such person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to defend such person or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force.

      (b)   A person is justified in the use of deadly force under circumstances described in subsection (a) if such person reasonably believes deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to such person or a third person.

      (c)   Nothing in this section shall require a person to retreat if such person is using force to protect such person or a third person.



My personal code would never allow me to kill someone over the theft of a pot of petunias, a cherry pie, a garden hoe or even a brand new Corvette. I am really amazed at some of the things I've read here.

Someone threatens a life though and I'll do my best to stop that.

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« Reply #506 on: July 02, 2008, 01:40:13 PM »
Fact:  The U.S. Constitution applies to citizens only!  

I think you'd better review the recent Supreme Court Gitmo decision.
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« Reply #507 on: July 02, 2008, 01:43:10 PM »
All the Gitmo Case is giving them is a chance to have their day in court.  They are not citizens.  I dont agree 100% with the decision, but those men in Gitmo do need their cases handled and in a fair manner.
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« Reply #508 on: July 02, 2008, 01:51:24 PM »
Exactly. They have the privilege of habeas corpus like an American citizen. The SC applied the Constitution extraterritorially (and incorrectly IMO).
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Re: General Gun Discussion
« Reply #509 on: July 02, 2008, 01:58:21 PM »
Very True,
I mean if violence were gone, What would become of rugby?
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