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Offline Thruster

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2008, 09:43:25 AM »
The problem with a novelty candidate isn't the forces that align to defeat them but more commonly the frivolous nature of their support. From what little conversation I've had on the subject it seems that both Dem candidates were benefiting from the "It's about time" mentality (the same mindset that got Carter elected). I have yet to hear an Obama/Clinton supporter actually reference their platforms when voicing support. It's either a associative critique on the Bush administration or just blind support for having a "minority" in office irrespective of who that individual is. i.e. "It's about time we get a woman/AA president." Which is historically the most dangerous form of racism/sexism.

To me it shows a fairly imbecilic attitude towards the office and the constituency it serves. Seems to me the Dem's fielded candidates that had the requisite special interest creds and the most recognizable, least offensive and politically innocuous backgrounds. The scary thing is that these are the two they came up with. Of course the other problem is that the Rep's, in light of this opposition stopped looking when they got to McCain.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2008, 10:22:15 AM »
I have never defended Obama for his remarks on guns and religion, nor did I ever say he was misquoted or misunderstood.

I think you need to look up the meaning of the word hypocrite. I am not a hypocrite due to the issues I don't bring up, only the ones I espouse that are directly contrary to my position. There are not enough fingers on my hand to point out all of the racial, gender or even age based discrimination happening every day. If you think that pointing out some other type of discrimination somehow diminishes the one I'm bringing up you are the confused one.


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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2008, 10:30:51 AM »
I don't know but any worthwhile person is open to the charge of hypocrisy.  If it be defined espousing one thing and not doing so.

I say a better gauge is to know a person's ideals.  I'm not talking about childish gibberish: silly idealistic stuff.  But the serious and meaningful matters that some maturity brings.  A person's "philosophy."  Yes, that's more to the point.

A monstrosity of our times: the fellow whose summuom bonum begins and ends with them self.  Some may brag that such be so, but often they're merely playing to the cheap seats for peer points, and it ain't necessarily so.

Funny, was thinking about hypocrisy just last night.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2008, 10:43:09 AM »
Summum bonum  - highest ideal.

I had to look it up. Learn something new every day.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2008, 11:22:16 AM »
I have never defended Obama for his remarks on guns and religion, nor did I ever say he was misquoted or misunderstood.

I think you need to look up the meaning of the word hypocrite. I am not a hypocrite due to the issues I don't bring up, only the ones I espouse that are directly contrary to my position. There are not enough fingers on my hand to point out all of the racial, gender or even age based discrimination happening every day. If you think that pointing out some other type of discrimination somehow diminishes the one I'm bringing up you are the confused one.



Many things perceived as race, age, or gender discrimination aren't necessarily illegal discrimination. If you're old and can't remember your birthday a potential employer is just in considering your inability. If you're female and can't lift 75lbs over your head the military is just in considering your inability. If you're black and speak only Ebonics an employer is just in considering your inability.
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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #65 on: June 06, 2008, 02:34:34 PM »
If you're black and speak only Ebonics an employer is just in considering your inability.

Where you'd promptly get sued for discrimination, lose the lawsuit and thus your business and the winner of the suit would go on a spending binge, end up broke in the gutter then blame it all on society when he killed 3 people while robbing a liquor store. He'd get sentenced to life in a minimum security prison.  From there, he'd enjoy all the creature comforts of home at the tax payer's expense.

 The original business owner  commits suicide when he finds out his teenage daughter started turning tricks at age 14 in order to pay for her school lunches since her parents had become destitute.  The girl becomes a meth addict and eventually is killed in a botched drug buy. 

The wife leaves the broke husband shortly before the suicide. She runs off with the poolboy but is dumped in  Las Vegas where she eeks out a living doing card tricks on a street corner. She is  tragically caught in a gangster rap artist  shootout crossfire while doing her signature card trick: "Ace in my hole".  She lingers painfully in the hospital for several days but dies when it is determined she has no insurance and is not a minority so her life support is halted.

The owner's son drops out of high school to join the San Francisco Gay Pride celebration. There he meets up with a closet gay TV Televangilist.  He is then killed under dubious circumstances.  Rumors circulate that the son was going to out his TV lover and was killed as a result.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2008, 11:25:06 AM »
perhaps I use too broad a definition of hypocrite...  I think not tho.   I think that seeing examples of slurs based on race and religion and gender in every front and then being only concerned about them when they are against someone that you like.. ignoring the slurs that person herself puts out there....

To me.. that is indeed a form of hypocrite.    If by nothing more than omission.   To be outraged (real of feigned) when it is your guy being skewered but ignore it when they do the same of when others you like do.. is to me, a form of hypocrite.

Me..  I am for free speech.. you should be able to slam anyone you want based on their race creed or color.. there are no hate words in my world of free speech.. only responsibility.. if the words don't ring true then they are slander or will be ignored..  to tiptoe around em is abhorent and wrong. 

hillary is everything and more that people say about her..  she embodies some of the worst traits of women in power or women in general.  She is also running for office and fair game.

She is not above saying the most vile things about others either.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2008, 01:58:26 PM »
Where you'd promptly get sued for discrimination, lose the lawsuit and thus your business and the winner of the suit would go on a spending binge, end up broke in the gutter then blame it all on society when he killed 3 people while robbing a liquor store. He'd get sentenced to life in a minimum security prison.  From there, he'd enjoy all the creature comforts of home at the tax payer's expense.

 The original business owner  commits suicide when he finds out his teenage daughter started turning tricks at age 14 in order to pay for her school lunches since her parents had become destitute.  The girl becomes a meth addict and eventually is killed in a botched drug buy. 

The wife leaves the broke husband shortly before the suicide. She runs off with the poolboy but is dumped in  Las Vegas where she eeks out a living doing card tricks on a street corner. She is  tragically caught in a gangster rap artist  shootout crossfire while doing her signature card trick: "Ace in my hole".  She lingers painfully in the hospital for several days but dies when it is determined she has no insurance and is not a minority so her life support is halted.

The owner's son drops out of high school to join the San Francisco Gay Pride celebration. There he meets up with a closet gay TV Televangilist.  He is then killed under dubious circumstances.  Rumors circulate that the son was going to out his TV lover and was killed as a result.

 :aok

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2008, 02:05:29 PM »
:rofl  :lol   :rock  fargin fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!  But what is the name of this new dope opera?

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2008, 09:49:10 PM »
Me..  I am for free speech.. you should be able to slam anyone you want based on their race creed or color.. there are no hate words in my world of free speech.. only responsibility.. if the words don't ring true then they are slander or will be ignored..  to tiptoe around em is abhorent and wrong. 

hillary is everything and more that people say about her..  she embodies some of the worst traits of women in power or women in general.  She is also running for office and fair game.
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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #70 on: June 07, 2008, 10:30:06 PM »
Where you'd promptly get sued for discrimination, lose the lawsuit and thus your business and the winner of the suit would go on a spending binge, end up broke in the gutter then blame it all on society when he killed 3 people while robbing a liquor store. He'd get sentenced to life in a minimum security prison.  From there, he'd enjoy all the creature comforts of home at the tax payer's expense.

 The original business owner  commits suicide when he finds out his teenage daughter started turning tricks at age 14 in order to pay for her school lunches since her parents had become destitute.  The girl becomes a meth addict and eventually is killed in a botched drug buy. 

The wife leaves the broke husband shortly before the suicide. She runs off with the poolboy but is dumped in  Las Vegas where she eeks out a living doing card tricks on a street corner. She is  tragically caught in a gangster rap artist  shootout crossfire while doing her signature card trick: "Ace in my hole".  She lingers painfully in the hospital for several days but dies when it is determined she has no insurance and is not a minority so her life support is halted.

The owner's son drops out of high school to join the San Francisco Gay Pride celebration. There he meets up with a closet gay TV Televangilist.  He is then killed under dubious circumstances.  Rumors circulate that the son was going to out his TV lover and was killed as a result.

 :aok


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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #71 on: June 07, 2008, 11:06:21 PM »
So it would be OK by you to have them attacked for their looks, their voice, their hair style...etc. When the people doing the attacking really just disagree with their politics? Amazing.

Sen Edwards was given flak for his hair and he isn't even a woman.

GW Bush is given lots of flak for his word usage and he isn't even a woman.

Dukakis was given flak for his hat choice (tank commander) and he isn't even a woman.

Lincoln was attacked because of his looks, his speaking voice, and his church affiliation (or lack thereof) and he wasn't even a woman.

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2008, 11:09:40 PM »
Sen Edwards was given flak for his hair and he isn't even a woman.

GW Bush is given lots of flak for his word usage and he isn't even a woman.

Dukakis was given flak for his hat choice (tank commander) and he isn't even a woman.

Lincoln was attacked because of his looks, his speaking voice, and his church affiliation (or lack thereof) and he wasn't even a woman.

Welcome to big time politics.
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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2008, 11:20:38 PM »
Edwards is TOO a woman :D

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Re: Misogyny and Hillary
« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2008, 11:22:03 PM »
Hillary is everything and more that people say about her..  she embodies some of the worst traits of women in power or women in general.  She is also running for office and fair game.
She is not above saying the most vile things about others either.
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