Neutered 109F?

[Wingnutt]

yea, actually me and Allen86 took up a pair of Fs and started hovering near a enemy airfield at 15k, sure enough 3 cons came up. I think it was a F6F, a b Pony, and I wanna say a K4..

we shot down all 3 in short order as, they immediatly tried to turn fight us. We then decided to RTB,   just as we hit our dar ring allen started screaming, sure enough on the map there were red dots where WE were..  we got caught sleeping, the 3 yoyos we nailed earlier had all upped LA7s and chased us down, we couldent make it to base before they caught ups and another brawl ensued..  all 3 immediatly tried to turn fight us AGAIN, 2 were down within 30 seconds and the 3rd ran..   we headed home on fumes, sure enough the 3rd LA came back, blazing tried to vulch us and got chewed by field ack, allen got proxy
that was actually one of if not the first time I flew the F, heck of a first impression it made..   but also it showed the issue of speed, you are just going to have to fight fight fight, egress is usually not an option.

[Saurdaukar]

Hrm... I've just listed over half a dozen of the MOST common MA planes ever used, and shown that the G-2 is faster than all of them, and you still say it's still no good for chasing down planes in the MA?


Fine, whatever.

And I could list a half dozen airplanes that are faster.  I'm not sure what you're trying to prove but please de-bunch your panties.

My statement is opinion.  My opinion is that the speed increase of the G2 over the F4 is not worth the maneuverability cost.

You disagree, and thats fine. 

For my money, the airplanes that run from my puny little Messerschmitt are 51's, La7's and Typhoons.  The F4 cant catch them and the G2 cant catch them.

As such... why would I give up the maneuverability of the F4 when the speed of the G2 nets me zero against those aircraft?

Relative Cost / Benefit?  Huge / None.

[Platano]

To go along with your point, Adolf Galland, I believe it was, wasn't happy with the firepower of the new 109F when it arrived. Being a famous ace (and future General der Flieger), he had both (if I remember correctly) a 109F with the double MG/FF wing load out of the 109E and a 109F with 13mm MG131's replacing the 7.92mm MG17's in the cowl (this would become standard starting with the 109G5).
I may be wrong, my memory of this is pretty vague.

I like this Guy, always has a cool and interesting fact about things Luftwaffe.. Kinda as cool as reading the bottom of snapple caps 

 

[Anaxogoras]

Ok, since we're on the topic, I can't remember any good reason for why the canopy framing looks so much thicker in the G-2 than in the F-4 of AH.

[Anaxogoras]

Ok, I found the answer.  The G-series and on had 60mm bullet proof glass on the front windscreen, necessitating the heavier canopy frame.

[Wingnutt]

Ok, I found the answer.  The G-series and on had 60mm bullet proof glass on the front windscreen, necessitating the heavier canopy frame.

too bad, imo the lost FOV isnt offset by the increased "protection"

[Anaxogoras]

Even when you're trying to HO a B-17G?

[Wingnutt]

Even when you're trying to HO a B-17G?

I wouldent HO 17s in the G2 either... or anything with a radiator for that matter.

[Stoney]

or anything with a radiator for that matter.

Oh, I need to start fighting you instead of the 3 P-51's I tangled with (in my radial equipped aircraft) that liked to open up at 1K nose-on. 

[Wingnutt]

I dont see the usefullness of HOing bombers..  if your in the position to HO, you can easly get into position for a much better shot, i like coming in from high 2-3 diving level with the bombers at 450+ and firing broadside into the formation, aim at the lead and just hold the trigger down..  not an easy shot for them, and you can score hits on all 3 bombers in one pass.   ive downed 3 ju88s in a single pass like and in a K4.

[Krusty]

The HO shot is a very good angle if attacking bombers. The problem is that it puts you in the wrong place after the HO (behind them, heading the other way).

However, if you're at the right angle, it gives you the best chance of killing the pilot or flaming the wing roots/fuselage fuel tanks as they and the cockpit take up almost all of your available targets. meaning you don't hit the tail, the tail gunner, the stabilizers, the flaps, the dorsal gun, any of that. Almost all of your rounds that hit are hitting the areas that are most vital to killing a bomber.


Quite useful, assuming you don't miss.

[Anaxogoras]

If you want to attack a box of 50 bombers, and especially if they have escort, HO is the way to go.  For the arena's occasional box of 3 bombers I agree that a diving-then-level attack from 3 or 9 o'clock is very effective, and it's the way I usually choose to go.  Some of our virtual gunners are such good shots that they hit me from whichever angle I choose.