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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2008, 11:07:43 PM »
Finally found story  THIS is what did it, above all else:

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In 2004, as regulators warned that subprime lenders were saddling borrowers with mortgages they could not afford, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development helped fuel more of that risky lending.

Eager to put more low-income and minority families into their own homes, the agency required that two government-chartered mortgage finance firms purchase far more "affordable" loans made to these borrowers. HUD stuck with an outdated policy that allowed Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to count billions of dollars they invested in subprime loans as a public good that would foster affordable housing.

Housing experts and some congressional leaders now view those decisions as mistakes that contributed to an escalation of subprime lending that is now roiling the U.S. economy.

The agency neglected to examine whether borrowers could make the payments on the loans that Freddie and Fannie classified as affordable. From 2004 to 2006, the two purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans, creating a market for more such lending. Subprime loans are targeted toward borrowers with poor credit, and they generally carry higher interest rates than conventional loans.
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Today, 3 million to 4 million families are expected to lose their homes to foreclosure because they cannot afford their high-interest subprime loans. Lower-income and minority home buyers -- those who were supposed to benefit from HUD's actions -- are falling into default at a rate at least three times that of other borrowers.

If I had a frikkin nickel for every sob story I saw in paper a few years ago about 'The American dream' being beyond the reach of today's young people....
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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2008, 11:19:17 PM »
You know, that's a fair assessment.  I can't tell you how many 20-somethings I've seen around here in $450,000 houses and no real visible means of support.  This has been going on for a number of years now and what I thought was happening IS happening.  Now it's all making sense to me..the "have it now" generation is getting it now.
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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2008, 06:12:06 AM »
I'm no economist, but I knew something was wrong when overnight a cornfield could be turned into a lot of "Luxury Townhouses Starting from the low $400,000's". 

I love the names they come up with:  "Brookwoode Estates (Phase III)" or "Aspen Acres at Colonial Farms".

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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2008, 06:24:14 AM »
The problem was really fairly simple;  banks made questionable loans with variable interest rates over a thirty year term to families with incomes of between $75,000 to $100,000 a year so that they could buy homes valued well in excess of $500,000.  The families securing such loans had no intentions of keeping said homes for the full term of the note, viewing the purchase as a short-term investment which could be sold in a highly volatile market for an obscene profit.

The only problem was, the s-h-i-t blew up...

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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2008, 09:27:04 AM »
another thing no one is touching on is that in the areas hardest hit.. kalifornia and florida say....

It has a lot to do with regulation and taxes.   I built my home..two homes.. 20 years ago and it is under prop 13..  a bill that was voted in that said taxes could never go up so long as you owned the home.. to keep old people from being driven out for one thing.

My tax burden is about $1,000 a year for the places...  it is about 5 times that for friends with less of a place.

regulation... it now costs about 70 grand in fees to break ground.. you don't own a thing and it costs 70 grand.

Then.. there is the fact that people qualify for homes with both incomes.   the divorce rate is 50%..  do the math.   You can't afford to pay child support and support two homes.

Then their was the overinflation of value.. as shuckins pointed out.. it was thought that the places would appreciate forever.. you were considered foolish to not buy the most expensive place you could qualify for since..   10% a year appreciation on a 500k home is a lot more money made than 10% on a 200k home.

Another thing that happened is that with the inflated values... people were encouraged to take out some of that equity (or all of it) to pay bills.. buy toys..  fix up the place.   "home improvement loans"   when the value went down... you now owed twice what the place was worth... fine if you stayed married and at the same job and didn't have to move for work or whatever but a disaster waiting to happen.

All in all tho.. it is not as bad as it is being made out to be... prices will come back up.. all the homes in forclosure are really only like 1%..

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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2008, 11:25:01 AM »
We just sold a bank owned hoem that was forclosed on a plastic surgeon. He made over 500k a year. He went out and was buying homes...that all went to hell..he was so leveraged that he lost teh hoem he lived in...


3300sqft, 5 bed 3 ba with pool and spa /waterfall........sold for 432k...highest it sodl for in past was 670k

My soon to be father in law has beena broker for 30 years, He had about 30+ properties he owne din the Sacramento area..sold all of them excpet a few 2 years ago...He has now since bought that 30 back..at atleast 1.2 the costs he sold them for.


Millions are going to be made from thsi market!! yaaaa!!!! Count me in

You can buy duplexs out here rent them the next month and have positive cash flow...great times: )

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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2008, 03:24:23 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX9Uei89TuE&feature=related

I agree with Ron Paul. To me the Feds chairman seem very confident and doesn't really care what he says, only because he know that whatever this congressman says or do, the system will not change. What Ron Paul says is nevertheless true, and it is something every american citizen should take into consideration. Also ask yourself, who are the profiteers using this system?

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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2008, 05:23:09 PM »
ALL purchased housing is speculation. It doesn't matter if it's a variable or fixed rate loan it's still a speculation. The owner is speculating that the property will at least be worth the purchase price. They are speculating the the value will increase or in worst case scenario, remain the same as long as they own it.

Those poor slobs who bought on a variable rate loan speculated that the interest rate would stay low or go lower. That is extreme leveraging of the investment the same as those folks who bought stocks on credit in the 20's. When the value came into question the loan became due on demand. No cash to make up the difference or pay it off, you lose, it all.

Those who gambled on flipping the house and that includes those who got an interest only loan, were like a professional gambler. They rolled the dice on the investment. If they sold before the mortgage bubble popped they made out. If not, then the bills are coming due.

Those with a fixed rate loan hedged the bets by maintaining a less risky investment with a lower rate of return (ie. higher initial interest rate). That's like buying a mutual fund instead of long shot penny stocks. It's still a gamble but the risk is mitigated by the diversification of the fund or the stability of the loan vs value in the case of the house. Those folks are not hurting unless they lost their income. Unfortunately in the case of an economic down turn a loss of income can be a real possibility. This is not a case of an extreme gamble like bad loans, it's just a bad break and could happen to most anyone.

Unless you can pay cash for your house, and I seriously doubt anyone here did short of an inheritance, you are borrowing money you do not have to get the house today. Still speculation but you get to choose the degree of risk involved.
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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2008, 07:04:12 PM »
I understand there is a mortgage problem.  I hear and read about it on the news.  I have still yet to meet someone who is late in payments and in foreclosure.  I dont even know anyone who knows someone who is going through those hardships.  Still, I understand its a problem.  What percentage of homes are being or have been foreclosed recently?  Anyone seen a stat?
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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2008, 07:06:17 PM »
What? Are you saying that your government is paying the BANKS for their stupidity to loan money to the wrong people?

THAT is the primary problem. 
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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2008, 07:10:20 PM »
Yeah, and why did it happen in the first place? Well, low interest rates of course! Who sets the interest rates? Duh!

It's a artificially created situation that didn't need to happen! The profiteers are in this case, the banks (as always). Just look at how the government now bail out the banks paying them (more of) your money.

Is this pattern not possible to see through all the media coverage focusing on the wrong issues?




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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2008, 08:56:30 PM »
Yeah, and why did it happen in the first place? Well, low interest rates of course! Who sets the interest rates? Duh!

It's a artificially created situation that didn't need to happen! The profiteers are in this case, the banks (as always). Just look at how the government now bail out the banks paying them (more of) your money.

Is this pattern not possible to see through all the media coverage focusing on the wrong issues?




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And exactly HOW did these evil banks force people to sign contracts for things they could not afford? The economy can't yet be blamed for all this, though that won't stop CNN. It can only be blamed on people who are too effing stupid to understand contracts, or were too cheap to hire a real estate lawyer to help them in the first place
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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2008, 09:09:08 PM »
What cause the housing collapse    GREED :aok
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Re: What caused the US Housing market collapse?
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2008, 09:11:51 PM »
Give me one example of the govt bailing out someone with these mortgages, please.


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