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Offline shreck

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2008, 08:40:24 PM »
Which is precisely why BnZ claimed it was "brave".  Not smart, or a great tactic, but "brave".

(Again, squeemish about the use of the word "brave"...)

I'll tellya whats brave! attacking B17s while flying a deuce, scoring the 1st kill, seeing it's 999 then going after the remaining 2 B17s  :t      ( now he is watching and waiting to HO you from his 12 oclock in any gun!! :lol  999 you friggin HOTARD  :aok

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2008, 08:50:05 PM »
I expect to get the HO shot, and appreciate when it doesn't happen.


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I like to call it   HO&GO  ;)  straight at ya HOin away, haul prettythang straight thru and on to the next sector!! really funny stuff actually.  Oh and nikis HO all the time!! its how they roll :lol to sit back and watch a niki fight reminds me of that old movie the last starfighter!! SPINNING and ROLLING in every concievable direction shooting the whole time!!  Those of you old enough to remember that movie, just sit and watch a niki for awhile and you will laugh in rememberence   :)

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2008, 09:02:22 PM »
like I said.........I don't get the ho stuff.........and I don't think you have a leg to stand on being in a combat zone.  a kill is a kill.  as for the pureists.........why not go to the dueling arena?  or just get an NO-HO Arena established.

sure I'm new here......but I guarantee you I will always feel this way.  I'll kill as many enemy in as many ways as I can......including but not limited to crashing into bombers if I'm out of ammo and/or to take one for the team and prevent a base from being bombed.  It's all about the team.

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2008, 09:20:15 PM »
ah the good 'ole HO.  I expect them every time, though most times I'm able to either avoid it while turning his attempt to my advantage...while he is busy lining it up, i've already begun working towards a better position.  It is frustrating though at times, as they might connect in the small window of opportunity.  It becomes frustrating as you are hoping for a good fight, but you don't get it....on the other hand, if there tactic is to HO from the start, you know it's not going to be a very good fight anyway so I guess it doesn't really matter. (aside from having to reup).

I agree, it is a tactic, but I know things aren't going great when I start thinking it is a good option.  I'm sure many don't really care, as also stated, they just want guns blazing.  Unless you are in tough spot, it seems you can find better odds than the 50/50 HO.  Heck, even if you win the HO you seriously risk losing vital parts to your plane, not to mention the dreaded pw.  So your chance of winning might be 50/50, but coming out it fighting condition, the odds are much less.  I guess to be fair, if you are just flying around hoing, guess you don't need to many parts anyway.

I have bad nights, and generally after getting HO'd, I usually mumble and grumble over squad vox a bit, though more to myself, and off to the next sortie.  It's just one of those constants that will always be here.  Besides, it supplies us with endless discussion:)
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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2008, 09:31:34 PM »
again.......I'm still wondering why people who think this way do not simply fly in the dueling arena....I'm stunned it bothers people.

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2008, 11:15:13 PM »
Try to re-read my post from beginning, in first sentence i said what 'B' need to do to defeat HOer.

You are free to do that. Generally, if you fire at first merge you lost fight already.

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If you think HOing HOers is good way to fight them, you need to spend some time in TA with trainer.


Edit:
If you think HOing HOers is good way to fight them, you need to spend some time in TA with trainer.

Sorry you're wrong, I can avoid the HO, barrel roll works, under works, slight rudder works..... and sissors will often kill him on the 6. I got that part down. It's when you spot a dot and head towards him and him you and at times it is what it is. You try to give him the benefit of the doubt and 90% he blows it, oir I should say I blow it by allowing it to happen.

It's the unwritten rule of no HO firing that only 50% abide to. Why even whine about it, remove it.

I'm OK with the HO merge and all, what I am not ok within myself is not firing. All I am saying is, from now on I will just assume the obvious. It's not that I WANT to fly that way in AH, frankly I don't care, because it's a game rule of sorts. In a nut shell I'm just going to fly the way I should. If someone chooses to merge with me in a HO I'm going to fire. I'm really NOT trying to be a dork about it. I don't SEEK a HO merge I have other options usually, it will take pile-it A to chose that path.
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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2008, 11:17:08 PM »
again.......I'm still wondering why people who think this way do not simply fly in the dueling arena....I'm stunned it bothers people.

It only bothers those that expect a little sportsmanship in a game.  HOing is a little like the pitcher throwing one at your head.
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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2008, 11:22:07 PM »
Good sticks now hoing!   I ran into several guys that think hoing is better than fighting.  These are good sticks, they used to be at least. I was in the da  Doolittle and i was in a fight, went vert he rolled over and shot in the head on position. WHY?  Scared :O   



I challenge all players that are tired to start saying what they feel about this!

Coward score mongers!


HItech   help with this before this becomes the norm or there will be people leaving by the boatload!
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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2008, 11:46:27 PM »
Has anyone thought about, that in past wars (air battles), the looser of a HO never complained. 

Just a thought.

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2008, 12:08:35 AM »
It only bothers those that expect a little sportsmanship in a game.  HOing is a little like the pitcher throwing one at your head.

excuse my naivety ....
why wouldn't attacks from the rear be thought of as cowardly and unsportsman like?  what could be more honest than a face-2-face first pass death match?
I think people have it back wards here.......and like I said.......... if it's all about the purity, sport and art of it all.......... try the dueling arena.

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2008, 12:10:43 AM »
It only bothers those that expect a little sportsmanship in a game.  HOing is a little like the pitcher throwing one at your head.

ding ding ding, we have a winner!! :)


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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2008, 12:11:51 AM »
Give them the ho, after they miss you have already won half the battle. When I see someone trying to ho on a merge, my confidence goes through the roof, there is a reason they are going for the 50/50 chance.

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2008, 01:14:30 AM »
It's the unwritten rule of no HO firing that only 50% abide to. Why even whine about it, remove it.

I'm OK with the HO merge and all, what I am not ok within myself is not firing. All I am saying is, from now on I will just assume the obvious. It's not that I WANT to fly that way in AH, frankly I don't care, because it's a game rule of sorts. In a nut shell I'm just going to fly the way I should. If someone chooses to merge with me in a HO I'm going to fire. I'm really NOT trying to be a dork about it. I don't SEEK a HO merge I have other options usually, it will take pile-it A to chose that path.

I feel you are hopeless, but i will try one more time.

There are no 'unwritten rule' about HO unless you in DA. HO give you ~50% chances to win regardless of skill, if you happy with it you can HO every time. Good pilots prefer to avoid HO because they can achive far better results using their skills.

HO merge is common thing and its how most very good fights begins. Shooting in HO merge makes you looks like dweeb and puts you in great disadvantage if your opponent know what he doing. Always expect HO shot never shoot back, its first step to victory.

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2008, 04:04:27 PM »
I feel you are hopeless, but i will try one more time.

There are no 'unwritten rule' about HO unless you in DA. HO give you ~50% chances to win regardless of skill, if you happy with it you can HO every time. Good pilots prefer to avoid HO because they can achive far better results using their skills.

HO merge is common thing and its how most very good fights begins. Shooting in HO merge makes you looks like dweeb and puts you in great disadvantage if your opponent know what he doing. Always expect HO shot never shoot back, its first step to victory.

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>There are no 'unwritten rule' about HO

BS, otherwise this conversation would NOT exist.
You also tend to contradict yourself.

I don't know ages of people in here so it inhibits what I should expect.

Dude, I'm not back pedaling to phonics. Either you don't understand what I am saying OR you just don't WANT to understand what I am saying. You're right you best let it go. Just in case you don't....

The HO appears in almost EVERY flight, and that's ok, but you tend to mix apples and oranges as if every HO merge and pilot is exactly the same. Think outside the box for a minute,... or don't <shrug>

The fact that 80% of the pile-its do not honor the first pass is why I will fire on you. If you don't like that concept, that's fine, but I get sick to death of honoring it after a 20 minute flight just to have to up and waste that time all over again because of a tard no-skill point mongering fool who hasn't "gotten it" yet. If you don't like my idea that's fine, it's also TS. Sorry.

I've been flying for 14 going on 15 years, I don't need piloting advice, I need to learn the game interfacing and the strat system.

I'll repeat myself SLIGHTLY one more time, then that's it, you're the one being hopeless here. I hate arguing with contradictions involved, that's worthless.

Yes I can avoid an HO AND kill him in the same pass, scissors work just fine, especially staying inverted, will put you on his 6 90% of the time in the same pass.

The point *I* made is, if pile-it A chooses to pull into a short range direct flow HO he's going to get fired on. A direct HO also means possible RAM and we all know they will do that too. I see NO harm in that as HE chose the path and I WILL give him that 50% chance instead of 100% chance, I'm not completely brain dead but I still have a few brain cells that communicate once in a while. At no point that I ever even hint that it would be me just going out and HOing everyone.  IF I do honor the first pass, and he trys to fire on me, every pass with a HO merge will spray tracers into him. That's just smart flying like it or not.

I'm starting to think you don't want people to rebel against those who do not honor it to give yourself that 75-100% attempt? People just don't misinterpret things 2-3 times without an agenda plugging the nerve center. I dunno <shrug>

What sucks about my idea is people who do honor it like a decent pilot would, would get bummed. That's the only thing that bothers me, as for the dweeb we ALL know does it on purpose,... screw him, he can waste that time all over again. I'm tired of clearing the way for idiots by honoring something the other pilot will not.

Here we're talking about Honoring a first pass and yet you say there is no unwritten rule.

I don't mind dying, I mind it when I get nothing but HO deaths, no real fights and a HUGE waste of my time. Screw that.

I assume you don't know me, I'll give you that,...but please don't insult me with "needing training" the only thing I don't got a grip on 100% in this game is the interface. I'm not even flying seriously yet, I'm still finding the limits of the planes and dying by trial and error.

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Re: Constant dweebery
« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2008, 04:10:20 PM »
again.......I'm still wondering why people who think this way do not simply fly in the dueling arena....I'm stunned it bothers people.

People that usually make those comments only know how to HO, so they see nothing wrong with it.  I'm also sure that you get your arse handed back to you many more times than you win a fight.


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