Intolerance in education...

[AKIron]

Sounds to me like intolerance by christianity.

I don't see how you can weasel their god into a science textbook say like physics or chemistry. And I would be mightily concerned over the quality of a science textbook that included religious (fantasy) references. Or is it even worse - have these books been approved by 'the church' based on their content? The fact that they have to wedge religion into these boxes sound like a very insecure place to me, if your religion needs to be forced into all aspects of learning than you have some issues.

I'm wondering if you read the article. It clearly stated that this facist university is denying students who have a religous education the right to take their science courses.

[Vulcan]

"As WND reported earlier, the University of California system adopted a policy last year that basic science, history, and literature textbooks by major Christian book publishers wouldn't qualify for core admissions requirements because of the inclusion of Christian perspectives."

TEXTBOOKS akiron. TEXTBOOKS. Read the article yourself mate. Don't throw your christian zealotry at me. Same goes to you lasersailor.

It's not anti-religion, it's the simple fact that religion doesn't have a place in some subjects, such as physics, chemistry, biology. They are not blocking students from entry based on a christian background, they are blocking them from entry because they are being taught from textbooks with content thats not appropriate for the subjects.

lasersailor, I' m not a communist, nor do I condone teaching 'athiesm' in a physics class. Dunno bout the US but in NZ christian schools keep their religious content strictly to the religious courses, and leave it out of the non-religious subjects.

Talk typical zealot kneejerk reaction, you'd think someone was nailing you to a cross or something.

[lasersailor184]

I always find how the Socialist Religion followers squirm when their same logic is applied back to them very amusing. 

[Vulcan]

I always find how the Socialist Religion followers squirm when their same logic is applied back to them very amusing. 

Err how was I squirming - like I said I don't advocate teaching athiesm in unrelated subjects. Socialist religion? I'm not a socialist. Or is that what you label people who don't believe in your fantasy zombie character that walks on water? We're all socialists? Are you stuck in the 50's or something?

It's not a religion, I don't preach it, I don't teach it. I don't go to a church or temple to worship it. If you want to believe in your religion thats fine by me, but keep it out of the sciences please.

[AKIron]

"As WND reported earlier, the University of California system adopted a policy last year that basic science, history, and literature textbooks by major Christian book publishers wouldn't qualify for core admissions requirements because of the inclusion of Christian perspectives."

TEXTBOOKS akiron. TEXTBOOKS. Read the article yourself mate. Don't throw your christian zealotry at me. Same goes to you lasersailor.

It's not anti-religion, it's the simple fact that religion doesn't have a place in some subjects, such as physics, chemistry, biology. They are not blocking students from entry based on a christian background, they are blocking them from entry because they are being taught from textbooks with content thats not appropriate for the subjects.

lasersailor, I' m not a communist, nor do I condone teaching 'athiesm' in a physics class. Dunno bout the US but in NZ christian schools keep their religious content strictly to the religious courses, and leave it out of the non-religious subjects.

Talk typical zealot kneejerk reaction, you'd think someone was nailing you to a cross or something.

You implied that Christians were forcing their own texts into this, and I use the term loosely, university. I don't think your understood the situation and now you're tap dancing. You seem to have a real hatred for Christians, much like this university. Hey, it's your constitutional right. It isn't the right of a University that accepts federal funds however to deny a student classes based strictly on the religous perspective of the perpatory classes. Your hatred is blinding you.

[Vulcan]

You implied that Christians were forcing their own texts into this, and I use the term loosely, university. I don't think your understood the situation and now you're tap dancing.

I quoted the article directly. What do you not understand  about "textbooks by major Christian book publishers". Did you even read the article. Or is this the standard zealot tactic of making it personal when the facts get in the way? Tell me how do you teach physics from christian perspective?

[mietla]

Tell me how do you teach physics from christian perspective?

water sometimes behaves like a solid?

what difference does it make which book you've used as long as you know the stuff. I'm agnostic, so I don't care about religion, but to me this is a clear attempt to eliminate/suppress religion by making the lives of Christians just a bit more difficult.

Baby steps...

As I said, I do not care about religion but it pisses me off when intolerant Atheists push their point of view on the rest of the society. It is fine fine and dandy if they do it in private as individuals and on their on buck. But it is not acceptable that they use public institutions (and thus my money) to do that.


And yes, a militant Atheism is a religion. An unfounded belief in non existence of something and militant, intolerant effort to push it down everybody's throat.

[AKIron]

I quoted the article directly. What do you not understand  about "textbooks by major Christian book publishers". Did you even read the article. Or is this the standard zealot tactic of making it personal when the facts get in the way? Tell me how do you teach physics from christian perspective?

Are you suggesting that private institutions do not have the right to teach from a Christian perspective? I think you'll find our constitution guarantees that right. Are you still not understanding that no one is asking the university to use any specific textbooks or teach from a Christian perspective? This state and federally funded university is denying citizens with freedom of religion guaranteed as a constitutional right the right to take certain course based soley on their prior religious education. I think you're the zealot here if you can't see how wrong this is. 

[Vulcan]

water sometimes behaves like a solid?

what difference does it make which book you've used as long as you know the stuff. I'm agnostic, so I don't care about religion, but to me this is a clear attempt to eliminate/suppress religion by making the lives of Christians just a bit more difficult.

Or is it a clear attempt by religion to weasel their beliefs into science (ie creationism)? I can't recall in my high school days any portion of physics that would require a religious perspective. Like you say it's about knowing your stuff, and I suppose it really boils down to what the publishers are putting in these books. But this is something clearly creeping into their textbooks not something that was there earlier and has been picked up on just now. So who's really trying to gain something here? To me it appears to be the christians by adding their perspective into subjects that should have no need for religious content.

[Vulcan]

This state and federally funded university is denying citizens with freedom of religion guaranteed as a constitutional right the right to take certain course based soley on their prior religious education. 

No they are not. Your zealotry has blinded you to reading the facts. Probably the result of a christian biased education.

The "state and federally funded university" is denying citizens the right to take courses based on their background education of the subject. If I were to learn physics from the Wican's Book of Magic I doubt any NZ university would accept me either.

All these christian schools need to do is use standard non-religious science textbooks and the problem goes away. They can still teach religious beliefs as much as they like and their students would be accepted into the university.

[AKIron]

No they are not. Your zealotry has blinded you to reading the facts. Probably the result of a christian biased education.

The "state and federally funded university" is denying citizens the right to take courses based on their background education of the subject. If I were to learn physics from the Wican's Book of Magic I doubt any NZ university would accept me either.

All these christian schools need to do is use standard non-religious science textbooks and the problem goes away. They can still teach religious beliefs as much as they like and their students would be accepted into the university.

So how do you teach math and physics in such a Christian way as to hinder this universities efforts? I didn't go to a Christian school but two of my younger brothers did. One has a Phd in organic chemistry from Scripps and the other an MBA from Pepperdine. This university is engaging in zealous bigotry and who will stop them? Certainly not the ACLU.

[Vulcan]

So how do you teach math and physics in such a Christian way as to hinder this universities efforts?

That's what I'd like to know. Obviously these books have some content which is objectionable, maybe the university had to draw a line over content such as creationism creeping into these books? Remember it is the books the are essentially not accepting as material suitable for background education for these courses.

[AKIron]

That's what I'd like to know. Obviously these books have some content which is objectionable, maybe the university had to draw a line over content such as creationism creeping into these books? Remember it is the books the are essentially not accepting as material suitable for background education for these courses.

No doubt they have material objectionable to these bigots, that's why they are refusing them classes. Since they are taking our money to teach these kids they do not have the right to judge their religion, including whether or not the kids were taught creationism.

[Vulcan]

No doubt they have material objectionable to these bigots, that's why they are refusing them classes. Since they are taking our money to teach these kids they do not have the right to judge their religion, including whether or not the kids were taught creationism.

Ahh whether or not the kids were taught creationism, what if the kids are ONLY taught creationism? Regardless of religion would that be a suitable level of education for entry into a university course?

[AKIron]

Ahh whether or not the kids were taught creationism, what if the kids are ONLY taught creationism? Regardless of religion would that be a suitable level of education for entry into a university course?

When I went to college I took a test to determine my level of academic proficiency. Why isn't an SAT satisfactory for placement? If they score low in science make 'em take remedial courses. I really hope someone sues the crap out of the individuals violating constitutional rights here.