Intolerance in education...

[mietla]

When I went to college I took a test to determine my level of academic proficiency. Why isn't an SAT satisfactory for placement? If they score low in science make 'em take remedial courses.

good point. As far as I know universities are trying to weasel out of SATs because they expose disparities among different "groups" of people and of course we can't have that.

Screw the merit and ability, let's just arbitrarily decide who gets in based on the political wishes of the left (and yanking the Christian's chain is a bonus).

Not sure whether that was ever implemented, but I remember proposals that every high school should simply "nominate" a certain percentage of their top students who would be guaranteed an entry. This way lousy schools will populate the same percentage of students as the good ones.

It's only fair. You know that schools are "bad" only because of lack of money, so "good" neighbourhoods have an "unfair" advantage over the bad ones. This needs to be corrected of course.
 

[Elfie]

"As WND reported earlier, the University of California system adopted a policy last year that basic science, history, and literature textbooks by major Christian book publishers wouldn't qualify for core admissions requirements because of the inclusion of Christian perspectives."

TEXTBOOKS akiron. TEXTBOOKS. Read the article yourself mate. Don't throw your christian zealotry at me. Same goes to you lasersailor.

It's not anti-religion, it's the simple fact that religion doesn't have a place in some subjects, such as physics, chemistry, biology. They are not blocking students from entry based on a christian background, they are blocking them from entry because they are being taught from textbooks with content thats not appropriate for the subjects.

lasersailor, I' m not a communist, nor do I condone teaching 'athiesm' in a physics class. Dunno bout the US but in NZ christian schools keep their religious content strictly to the religious courses, and leave it out of the non-religious subjects.

Talk typical zealot kneejerk reaction, you'd think someone was nailing you to a cross or something.

Read the entire article, the only religion being discriminated against like this is Christianity. No other religion is being targeted in this manner. In fact, no other world views are being targeted in this manner.

In other words, (UC schools) routinely approve courses which add viewpoints such as non-Christian religion, feminism, an ethnic preference, a political viewpoint, or multiculturalism, or that focus on religions such as Buddhism or Judaism, (and plaintiffs believe they should evenhandedly approve such courses), but disapprove courses which add viewpoints based on conservative Christianity," the court filings said.

[Vulcan]

Read the entire article, the only religion being discriminated against like this is Christianity. No other religion is being targeted in this manner. In fact, no other world views are being targeted in this manner.

Are there schools sending students to this university using science books based on an islamic or jewish perspective?

It wouldn't occur to you to think that it is only happening because only one religion is arrogant enough to think it can rewrite science?

Tell me, what do you think the buddhist explaination of the creation of the earth universe, etc, is?

[Elfie]

Ahh whether or not the kids were taught creationism, what if the kids are ONLY taught creationism? Regardless of religion would that be a suitable level of education for entry into a university course?

I went to a private high school, I was taught that technically, creationism and evolution are both theories and cannot be proven as scientific fact. I have never believed in evolution, ever. I just find it way to far fetched to think that a one celled animal one day just happened to pop into existence and everything else evolved from there. I find it far easier to believe in God as a Creator.

[Elfie]

Are there schools sending students to this university using science books based on an islamic or jewish perspective?

It wouldn't occur to you to think that it is only happening because only one religion is arrogant enough to think it can rewrite science?

Tell me, what do you think the buddhist explaination of the creation of the earth universe, etc, is?

Read the part I quoted from the article again.

I could care less what the buddhist explanation for the creation of the earth and universe is since I am not a Buddhist.

[SD67]

It's all just a plot to gradually and totally eradicate your constitution.
Elfie, I find it intriguing you would rather put your faith in a giant omnipotent alien being one day deciding to make an entire universe for poops and giggles than the gradual rise of a planets' life and ecosystem based on a struggle to adapt, overcome and succeed.

[Vulcan]

I went to a private high school, I was taught that technically, creationism and evolution are both theories and cannot be proven as scientific fact. I have never believed in evolution, ever. I just find it way to far fetched to think that a one celled animal one day just happened to pop into existence and everything else evolved from there. I find it far easier to believe in God as a Creator.

So who created your god? Did he/she/it just pop into existence?

[Elfie]

So who created your god? Did he/she/it just pop into existence?

The Bible tells us the God has always been and always will be. There is no beginning or end to God. I take that on faith.

[Elfie]

It's all just a plot to gradually and totally eradicate your constitution.
Elfie, I find it intriguing you would rather put your faith in a giant omnipotent alien being one day deciding to make an entire universe for poops and giggles than the gradual rise of a planets' life and ecosystem based on a struggle to adapt, overcome and succeed.

Who says He is giant? We don't really know. He can't be alien since we were created in His image. 

:disclaimer: These are my views, I am in no way forcing them onto you. 

[SD67]

That doesn't mean that he isn't. The definition of Alien is as foreign, not of this world. This god you speak of cannot be of this world and have created it at the same time? What came first the god or the universe?
The other question is of course, if in the beginning there was the word and the word was god, where did the thought that created the word come from in the first place?

[Elfie]

That doesn't mean that he isn't. The definition of Alien is as foreign, not of this world. This god you speak of cannot be of this world and have created it at the same time? What came first the god or the universe?
The other question is of course, if in the beginning there was the word and the word was god, where did the thought that created the word come from in the first place?

I'm not sure God would fall under the definition of alien. I certainly don't think of Him as alien. I think of Him as my spiritual Father.

a·li·en  (l-n, lyn)
adj.
1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.
2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.
n.
1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.
4. A creature from outer space: a story about an invasion of aliens.
5. Ecology An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.
tr.v. a·li·ened, a·li·en·ing, a·li·ens Law
To transfer (property) to another; alienate.

In response to your second question, I don't know but I'll try to remember to ask Him after I die. 

[SD67]

2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.

That sounds like a god to me

[Vulcan]

The Bible tells us the God has always been and always will be. There is no beginning or end to God. I take that on faith.

So while it's you cannot accept other 'things' (eg the universe) to potentially exist in this fashion, it is quite ok for your god to exist in this state based on the claims of a committee of 2nd century roman bishops?

[wrag]

People PLEASE!

This thread is NOT about what you are arguing about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is about the CLAIM that a PUBLIC service/institution (higher education) singling out a group of people and discriminating against them.

You want to discuss evolution vs creation or there is or is not a God START YOUR OWN THREAD!

[Elfie]

People PLEASE!

This thread is NOT about what you are arguing about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is about the CLAIM that a PUBLIC service/institution (higher education) singling out a group of people and discriminating against them.

You want to discuss evolution vs creation or there is or is not a God START YOUR OWN THREAD!

Way to just kill the thread Wrag!   


Seriously, my apologies, I didn't mean for it to get so far off track.